Happy Frog;102361 said: Plus I just like to say "Shanti Baba".) :smoke3:
[QUOTE]Originally Posted by TomHill [URL="http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=77132#post77132"] Well hello Nevil, Sam has been there since the mid 80's, not part of a group that came in the early 90's. If you are saying that the Dutch Ministry sought out leading cannabis scientists seeking information and felt that RC and co was the place to go, then that would be believable indeed.Do you not feel that that of the IHA, Hemp Diseases and Pests, etc, are excellent works? I certainly do. But perhaps you have countered these works with texts that I am unaware of. Please be clear Nevil as I am sure your audience would appreciate it. Since I happen to know that SamS has never worked with GM cannabis - the supposed subject of this thread, you might imagine why I am a bit confused here. Are you now stating that this Mr. Lap specifically told you that Hortifarm's license was a "pay-off" (as in paid for dirty deeds), or, is that part of the information only "apparent" to you? Lastly, can you produce this Mr. Lap, and would he be someone that we might believe? No offense man, but you are using Joe Pietry as a source here too - and he is really quite uniformed, delusional, and just an outright liar. Sincerely, Tom
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Green Supreme;102672 said:Hmm so Neville got pre 70's Haze in Amsterdam? Pretty sure he had not gone to the US. Peace GS
c-ray;102657 said:Neville speaks:http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=4345
Yeah, I've heard Sam whining before about how he should really get a royalty from everyone who he sold seeds to who used his genetics, 50% for pure lines and 25% for hybrids. This is after he sold you something for more than the price of gold in the first place. By his own admission, he didn't start working with Haze until the 70's. All the good ones I grew were from prior to 1970, so whose seeds were they, or is Sam a secret Haze brother. It seems that Sam feels that he deserves a lot of respect for getting seeds from one competent guy and selling them to another. Indeed, it may well be his finest achievement.I got 7 plants out of a couple of thousand seeds and they were all different. So which ones were the pure ones exactly! Royalties indeed, I think I'll call him 'Monsanto Sam".N.
Green Supreme;102666 said:Wonder where Neville got those pre 70's haze seeds, hmmm. Peace GS
Green Supreme;103883 said:Wow Bricktop, good to see ya man. Thanks for sharing. Peace GS
bigherb;68184 said:IMO opinion this post might help you all understand my assumption /opinion that the haze stock SAMS gave you wasnt from 69/70 as he told you.1luvbigherb
Nevil;68267 said:Unless you have direct knowledge that I'm not privy to, I'd suggest that you drop the assumption.The seeds I got were not just 2 bags. It could have been 12. One had three years put together of older stuff, The bags were old and crinkled like they'd been handled a lot over the years. The writing was old. Germination rates were consistant with the ages described. Sam was uncomfortable selling it. Everything was consistant with the legend.Sam is an abrasive fellow. He might stretch the truth to exaggerate his own importance, and he does collaborate with the enemy, but I wouldn't accuse him of perpetrating such an elaborate hoax as what you seem to be suggesting. He is a breeder and misrepresenting what he is actually selling would be an atrocity that even he couldn't live with. I don't like the man, but he has played a significant role in cannabis history. Everything he has ever sold me has been exactly what he said it was. I'd trust his pedigrees more than I would trust those of most of the modern seed companies.I was there and parting with the equivalent of a few months salary. If I was you, I wouldn't make the assumption that I could be fooled so easily.The facts demonstrate that those seeds were the closest to the source of true haze. I got what I paid for.N.
Nevil;57277 said:Still a lot of questions about haze and apparently a lot of conflicting stories.I haven't been paying attention to what Sam the Skunkman has been saying. He lost me years ago and if he wants to come out from behind his alias and go toe to toe with me, well that will be just fine with me (hey David).If he is saying that he gave me Purple Haze and it was crap, Well that's true. If he is saying that his lime green Haze was crap , well that's true too. If he is saying that he gave me a Haze cutting, well to be honest, I can't remember, but if he did it was crap. I seem to recall that he entered his lime Haze in a Cup, if he did he got his arse kicked.The Haze seeds I got from Sam were grown in America in 69/70. I got them in the mid 80's. All of my Haze came from these seeds of which I was saying I got 7 plants. I was hoping that Sam would come out with something good from his remaining seeds, he never did and to my knowledge, nor did anyone else. The only good haze that hit the market was from two males A and C.Hz C male produced 5Hz1 which won a Cup or 2, this was a daughter of NL5 which won a cup. 5Hz1 when crossed with Sk1x HzC produced Silver Haze which won a Cup. Ben renamed it Jack Herrer. Somebody else renamed it Diesel. 5HzC X Sk1Hz C was not as good as 5Hz1. Mango Haze (5Hz122)is a full sister to 5Hz1 and these two were the best out of tens of thousands.Haze A produced 5HzA2 (5A2) and was featured on the cover of the 1990 catalogue and is the mother of Nevil's Haze, the father being HzC.If you are smoking any good Haze, I'll bet you London to a brick that it comes from Haze A or Hz C or both!
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