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Johny English · 06-23-2007, 02:22 AM

Hi all
i put some nl seeds in hydro veg them for 5 weeks and then put to flower all 5 turned out to be male i only usualy get around 20% males from the seed stock i use and the only thing i did different this time was to start the bloom simulater the first week of flower istead of the second but i have done this before and it had no adverse affect, can any1 tell me was this just unlucky or was it maybe somthing i did many thanks
Johny English

The Cannarchist · 06-23-2007, 02:35 AM

unlucky

brokencage · 06-26-2007, 05:57 AM

Sorry to hear about the bad luck bro.This brings up a question Iv had for awhile now.Maybe someone here can answer.In my quest for knowledge I have often come across references of higher %age of males caused by certain growing conditions.For example,Mandala Seeds site suggests that growing in coco will produce a larger % of males.How is this possible? the fact that feminized seeds can be produced by using a female Forced to herm as the father sugests that like people the sex is detemend by the father.So wouldn't a seed be male or female from conception? or do seeds normally carry both sets of chromosome's,and is triggered one way or the other by environment?If this is the case then why is there no strategies on what conditions produce the most females? isn't this like saying to a woman thats pregnant that if she drinks nothing but cranberry juice in the first three weeks of pregnancy that she will have a 75% greater chance of barring a son?

lazi · 06-26-2007, 01:48 PM

As I understand it there are a certain % that will always be either male or female no matter what, probably about 15%. The rest are, to varying degrees, open to persuasion depending on conditions.

It's a survival machine, if it's going to be a bad season then more chance of genetic survival by being male and getting that pollen out there asap. My first 2 grows were all male which led to some reading on my part. I came across a hemp study from the 30's that showed an increase in staminate flowers with lower temps. My unheated cellar was cold, I put a heater in there and got 4 females from 5 on the 3rd grow.

A Russian study suggested that too small a pot can increase the % of males, does have some logic to it, 'Oh shit I've hit rocks, the soil is too shallow for a good grow, let's make pollen.'

Another idea I've read is to do with the temps of the water used to germinate. Too warm and it suggests that spring is late meaning a short season.

Apart from the hemp study I read it's all anecdotal but imo there's no harm in keeping an open mind and having the environment spot on just in case.

brokencage · 06-27-2007, 09:36 PM

Thanks for the reply.

makes sense.kinda like some types of frogs.nifty stuff if you ask me.

06-23-2007, 02:22 AM	#1
Johny English Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 14 Favorites: N L	y ALL male wat went wrong Hi all i put some nl seeds in hydro veg them for 5 weeks and then put to flower all 5 turned out to be male i only usualy get around 20% males from the seed stock i use and the only thing i did different this time was to start the bloom simulater the first week of flower istead of the second but i have done this before and it had no adverse affect, can any1 tell me was this just unlucky or was it maybe somthing i did many thanks Johny English

06-23-2007, 02:35 AM	#2
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06-26-2007, 05:57 AM	#3
brokencage Redneck Weed wrangler Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 155 Favorites: PPP,Satori & Skunk of all kinds	Sorry to hear about the bad luck bro.This brings up a question Iv had for awhile now.Maybe someone here can answer.In my quest for knowledge I have often come across references of higher %age of males caused by certain growing conditions.For example,Mandala Seeds site suggests that growing in coco will produce a larger % of males.How is this possible? the fact that feminized seeds can be produced by using a female Forced to herm as the father sugests that like people the sex is detemend by the father.So wouldn't a seed be male or female from conception? or do seeds normally carry both sets of chromosome's,and is triggered one way or the other by environment?If this is the case then why is there no strategies on what conditions produce the most females? isn't this like saying to a woman thats pregnant that if she drinks nothing but cranberry juice in the first three weeks of pregnancy that she will have a 75% greater chance of barring a son?

06-26-2007, 01:48 PM	#4
lazi Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 78	As I understand it there are a certain % that will always be either male or female no matter what, probably about 15%. The rest are, to varying degrees, open to persuasion depending on conditions. It's a survival machine, if it's going to be a bad season then more chance of genetic survival by being male and getting that pollen out there asap. My first 2 grows were all male which led to some reading on my part. I came across a hemp study from the 30's that showed an increase in staminate flowers with lower temps. My unheated cellar was cold, I put a heater in there and got 4 females from 5 on the 3rd grow. A Russian study suggested that too small a pot can increase the % of males, does have some logic to it, 'Oh shit I've hit rocks, the soil is too shallow for a good grow, let's make pollen.' Another idea I've read is to do with the temps of the water used to germinate. Too warm and it suggests that spring is late meaning a short season. Apart from the hemp study I read it's all anecdotal but imo there's no harm in keeping an open mind and having the environment spot on just in case.

06-27-2007, 09:36 PM	#5
brokencage Redneck Weed wrangler Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 155 Favorites: PPP,Satori & Skunk of all kinds	Thanks for the reply. makes sense.kinda like some types of frogs.nifty stuff if you ask me.