Generating your own power - Cannabis-World

The Cannarchist · 09-05-2006, 01:19 AM

It's about time we started to discus alternative power generation techniques

For those of us who are serious about this profession of ours..

Personally I like the look of Micro Hydroelectric systems at around the 40KVA mark.

I'd like to develop a "drop and play" system for steep slopes ..anyone seen a system they liked?

plantbuilder · 09-05-2006, 01:26 AM

http://www.powerpal.com/

The Cannarchist · 09-05-2006, 01:30 AM

Low head high volume......very nice.

c-ray · 09-05-2006, 02:23 AM

how's your russian?

http://www.faraday.ru/rusaes.html

c-ray · 09-05-2006, 06:17 AM

google 'stirling engine'

c-ray · 09-05-2006, 06:31 AM

how's your russian pb?

plantbuilder · 09-05-2006, 07:03 AM

http://www.faraday.ru/links.htm
http://www.faraday.ru/faraday_english.html

c-ray · 09-05-2006, 07:21 AM

http://www.mullerpower.com/index2.php

plantbuilder · 09-05-2006, 07:53 AM

water wizzards unite

09-05-2006, 09:02 AM

Check this one out too.
Thanks to C-Ray.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ocidfeed&hl=en

peace - Tug

09-06-2006, 02:33 PM

best way would be a old capped oil well with byproduct is natural gas, run a nat gas generator, surplus units could be gotten, higher the speed, shorter the life
hydro you need min 75 foot drop at a a large volume, create DC and rectify to AC.

The Cannarchist · 09-07-2006, 04:03 PM

I was thinking 200 ft head through 2 x 6inch pipes flowing parallel to a mountainside creek leading to 2 x peltier wheel systems attached to 2 x 20kva gensets.

Something along those lines.

I found a few deisel Generators for sale online,cheap as the motors had blown but the gensets were fine.

09-07-2006, 07:42 PM

VC, check this site out
http://www.realgoods.com/renew/shop/...201/ts/1017101

You can only produce dc power with hydro and must convert to AC by using a rectifier, do not waste money on a damaged set,

Quote:

2 x peltier wheel systems attached to 2 x 20kva gensets.

Do you have means to regulate shaft speed at exactly 1800rpm? Most used gens are single bearing, you will require a two bearing alternator with dual shaft and flex coupling

09-08-2006, 12:02 AM

High maybe but not off, lol......60 cycle AC Voltage synchronous...alternators require constant speed either 900/1200/1800/3600rpm to produce 60 hz, their excition either comes from a PMG excitor or residual voltage

yes the word inverter should have been used instead of rectifier

c-ray · 09-10-2006, 01:26 AM

http://www.duropower.com/item.asp?PID=132&FID=1&level=0
http://www.duropower.com/item.asp?PI...FID=14&level=1

+

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html
http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/

c-ray · 09-10-2006, 09:54 AM

http://www.magenn.com/products.php

09-10-2006, 01:40 PM

all those engines have a designed life of about 2000hours at full load, to get your 8360 hors of life before major overhaul of diesel the mfg recommends funning about 35-30kw , should burn about 3 gallons n hr. Diesel 2.35 gal?, close enough GHopper $6 a hour
nite time dba in country or open land is about 50-55 even with noisey crickets.............75 dba could be heard from a mile away depending on terrian.......................oil changes and filter changes every 10 days at a cost of about $100.

09-10-2006, 03:27 PM

OK generator gurus......help a guy out here . I`ve moved into a place with free natural gas . I`m looking for a 5K or under generator that`s continuous duty , and having all kindsa` trouble finding anything . And it has to be the slow spin jobbies (1800 rpm ) as I have neighbors within 100 yards or so . I`d like to rig it up in the root cellar and figure out how to muffle the exhaust noise . Out here in the sticks , the 5k would be enough to power up the house during times in the winter when the power goes off due to tree limbs etc . Has anyone heard of cont. duty this small (5KW) that runs on nat gas ? Thanks ! peace...burnie

Glass Man · 09-10-2006, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burnie

OK generator gurus......help a guy out here . I`ve moved into a place with free natural gas . I`m looking for a 5K or under generator that`s continuous duty , and having all kindsa` trouble finding anything . And it has to be the slow spin jobbies (1800 rpm ) as I have neighbors within 100 yards or so . I`d like to rig it up in the root cellar and figure out how to muffle the exhaust noise . Out here in the sticks , the 5k would be enough to power up the house during times in the winter when the power goes off due to tree limbs etc . Has anyone heard of cont. duty this small (5KW) that runs on nat gas ? Thanks ! peace...burnie

Burnie,
Look into "Micro co-generation", I think that's what it's called. They are using these units in Europe which generate heat and electricity on a very small scale, for individual homes. I checked out some websites a while back, but had sorta forgotten about it.
About 10 years ago I was hunting for land with natural gas wells in TN, since I need gas for blowing glass. I never found the right place, but it's great that you have.

Good luck,
glass

09-11-2006, 01:09 PM

Quote:

wouldn't be more prudent to run multiple 2kva units?

if your running AC power No, Sync equipment would kill you your running DC power Honda makes a 3000 watt AC gen that they parallel at dc. can get up to 6000watts I believe.

Glass Man · 09-11-2006, 04:03 PM

Gensets just aren't made for long term use. That's going to be your main thing to deal with "long term durability". If you have to pay 2X upfront but get 10X the lifespan, you'll end up being 5X ahead in the end. And that's not including the cost of setting up, shipping charges, etc 5 times. Durability is what you are looking for.

c-ray · 09-11-2006, 04:35 PM

take a look at stirling engines, low rpm, low pressure, flexible fuel source, could be interesting once they are more available

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_engine

09-11-2006, 08:12 PM

Hey grasshopper, burn has a existing ac synchronous gen as well as AC contractor portable, we discussed in pm, he was looking into converting his gasoline units to nat gas with after market carb kit. I was answering his Q about expense of paralleling AC generators.

Quote:

gensets are not designed for 24/7/365 use

I've seen thousands installed that run prime power.

Your idea is both plausable and feasable, but initial outlay of capital I believe exceeds burn's budget, he has a very good old 18hp engine Cast iron engine, whats the gen eff of of your DC alternator and approx cost of alternator alone?

09-11-2006, 10:00 PM

Yeah , now you`re talkin` tj ! I`m waiting and listening . BTW , it`s an old 12 hp Briggs single cylinder . peace...burnie

Herb · 09-12-2006, 12:00 AM

This is some info from Bowers Power Systems web site.

GAS OR DIESEL?

We recommend diesels due to their longevity and lower operating costs. Today

09-12-2006, 01:34 AM

Burnie.............if your only running 2000watts of light, that 12hp has capacity to produce 7kw with a gen eff of .80, thats conservative.
so with free nat gas, a good 4kw gen can help do the job.....

on the net search for Winco PTO drive AC generator, they use these to run off a stub shaft of farm tractors and you can use a flex coupling and shaft to run it off that engine you have

If not maybe GH can help us with the 48volt DC and we can locate some surplus .com storage batteries and invertor

If you get this far, then
As far as noise, I can design a silent box made out of plywood and sound absorbing material to quiet that engine.............into the ground with exhaust will work as well, it does create backpressure, I can help take care of that noise too.

09-05-2006, 01:19 AM	#1
The Cannarchist Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North pole Trailer park Posts: 3,350 Favorites: Whatever I can git	Generating your own power It's about time we started to discus alternative power generation techniques For those of us who are serious about this profession of ours.. Personally I like the look of Micro Hydroelectric systems at around the 40KVA mark. I'd like to develop a "drop and play" system for steep slopes ..anyone seen a system they liked?
	Trailer trash hippie redreck

09-05-2006, 01:26 AM	#2
plantbuilder Posts: 0 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,442	http://www.powerpal.com/
	hyp·o·crite /ˈhipəˌkrit/ A person who indulges in hypocrisy.

09-05-2006, 01:30 AM	#3
The Cannarchist Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North pole Trailer park Posts: 3,350 Favorites: Whatever I can git	Low head high volume......very nice.
	Trailer trash hippie redreck

09-05-2006, 02:23 AM	#4
c-ray Amatéur Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Zion Posts: 9,773 Favorites: crystal skulls, starburst, saskwatch, i-spice, timewarp, montreal chemo, Knep, NLP, nepwarp, Sweet C	how's your russian? http://www.faraday.ru/rusaes.html
	"In the uptake of nutrients from the soil food web, sulphur is the catalyst for carbon chemistry, boron gives us sap pressure and silicon builds the capillary action that transports plant sap. Only then can calcium, magnesium and amino acids be delivered to cell division sites for chlorophyll manufacture. As chlorophyll catches light, phosphorous transfers energy into sugar production—after which a mix of sugars and more complex products follow potassium through the silica pathways to provide energy or its storage wherever required in the plant." Hugh Lovel

09-05-2006, 06:17 AM	#5
c-ray Amatéur Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Zion Posts: 9,773 Favorites: crystal skulls, starburst, saskwatch, i-spice, timewarp, montreal chemo, Knep, NLP, nepwarp, Sweet C	google 'stirling engine'
	"In the uptake of nutrients from the soil food web, sulphur is the catalyst for carbon chemistry, boron gives us sap pressure and silicon builds the capillary action that transports plant sap. Only then can calcium, magnesium and amino acids be delivered to cell division sites for chlorophyll manufacture. As chlorophyll catches light, phosphorous transfers energy into sugar production—after which a mix of sugars and more complex products follow potassium through the silica pathways to provide energy or its storage wherever required in the plant." Hugh Lovel

09-05-2006, 06:31 AM	#6
c-ray Amatéur Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Zion Posts: 9,773 Favorites: crystal skulls, starburst, saskwatch, i-spice, timewarp, montreal chemo, Knep, NLP, nepwarp, Sweet C	how's your russian pb?
	"In the uptake of nutrients from the soil food web, sulphur is the catalyst for carbon chemistry, boron gives us sap pressure and silicon builds the capillary action that transports plant sap. Only then can calcium, magnesium and amino acids be delivered to cell division sites for chlorophyll manufacture. As chlorophyll catches light, phosphorous transfers energy into sugar production—after which a mix of sugars and more complex products follow potassium through the silica pathways to provide energy or its storage wherever required in the plant." Hugh Lovel

09-05-2006, 07:03 AM	#7
plantbuilder Posts: 0 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,442	http://www.faraday.ru/links.htm http://www.faraday.ru/faraday_english.html
	hyp·o·crite /ˈhipəˌkrit/ A person who indulges in hypocrisy.

09-05-2006, 07:21 AM	#8
c-ray Amatéur Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Zion Posts: 9,773 Favorites: crystal skulls, starburst, saskwatch, i-spice, timewarp, montreal chemo, Knep, NLP, nepwarp, Sweet C	http://www.mullerpower.com/index2.php
	"In the uptake of nutrients from the soil food web, sulphur is the catalyst for carbon chemistry, boron gives us sap pressure and silicon builds the capillary action that transports plant sap. Only then can calcium, magnesium and amino acids be delivered to cell division sites for chlorophyll manufacture. As chlorophyll catches light, phosphorous transfers energy into sugar production—after which a mix of sugars and more complex products follow potassium through the silica pathways to provide energy or its storage wherever required in the plant." Hugh Lovel

09-05-2006, 07:53 AM	#9
plantbuilder Posts: 0 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,442	water wizzards unite
	hyp·o·crite /ˈhipəˌkrit/ A person who indulges in hypocrisy.

09-05-2006, 09:02 AM	#10
Tug Guest Posts: n/a	Check this one out too. Thanks to C-Ray. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ocidfeed&hl=en peace - Tug

09-06-2006, 02:33 PM	#11
tj_142 Guest Posts: n/a	best way would be a old capped oil well with byproduct is natural gas, run a nat gas generator, surplus units could be gotten, higher the speed, shorter the life hydro you need min 75 foot drop at a a large volume, create DC and rectify to AC.

09-07-2006, 04:03 PM	#12
The Cannarchist Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North pole Trailer park Posts: 3,350 Favorites: Whatever I can git	I was thinking 200 ft head through 2 x 6inch pipes flowing parallel to a mountainside creek leading to 2 x peltier wheel systems attached to 2 x 20kva gensets. Something along those lines. I found a few deisel Generators for sale online,cheap as the motors had blown but the gensets were fine.
	Trailer trash hippie redreck

09-07-2006, 07:42 PM	#13
tj_142 Guest Posts: n/a	VC, check this site out http://www.realgoods.com/renew/shop/...201/ts/1017101 You can only produce dc power with hydro and must convert to AC by using a rectifier, do not waste money on a damaged set, Quote: 2 x peltier wheel systems attached to 2 x 20kva gensets. Do you have means to regulate shaft speed at exactly 1800rpm? Most used gens are single bearing, you will require a two bearing alternator with dual shaft and flex coupling

09-08-2006, 12:02 AM	#14
tj_142 Guest Posts: n/a	High maybe but not off, lol......60 cycle AC Voltage synchronous...alternators require constant speed either 900/1200/1800/3600rpm to produce 60 hz, their excition either comes from a PMG excitor or residual voltage yes the word inverter should have been used instead of rectifier

09-10-2006, 01:26 AM	#15
c-ray Amatéur Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Zion Posts: 9,773 Favorites: crystal skulls, starburst, saskwatch, i-spice, timewarp, montreal chemo, Knep, NLP, nepwarp, Sweet C	http://www.duropower.com/item.asp?PID=132&FID=1&level=0 http://www.duropower.com/item.asp?PI...FID=14&level=1 + http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/ Last edited by c-ray; 09-10-2006 at 01:39 AM.
	"In the uptake of nutrients from the soil food web, sulphur is the catalyst for carbon chemistry, boron gives us sap pressure and silicon builds the capillary action that transports plant sap. Only then can calcium, magnesium and amino acids be delivered to cell division sites for chlorophyll manufacture. As chlorophyll catches light, phosphorous transfers energy into sugar production—after which a mix of sugars and more complex products follow potassium through the silica pathways to provide energy or its storage wherever required in the plant." Hugh Lovel

09-10-2006, 09:54 AM	#16
c-ray Amatéur Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Zion Posts: 9,773 Favorites: crystal skulls, starburst, saskwatch, i-spice, timewarp, montreal chemo, Knep, NLP, nepwarp, Sweet C	http://www.magenn.com/products.php
	"In the uptake of nutrients from the soil food web, sulphur is the catalyst for carbon chemistry, boron gives us sap pressure and silicon builds the capillary action that transports plant sap. Only then can calcium, magnesium and amino acids be delivered to cell division sites for chlorophyll manufacture. As chlorophyll catches light, phosphorous transfers energy into sugar production—after which a mix of sugars and more complex products follow potassium through the silica pathways to provide energy or its storage wherever required in the plant." Hugh Lovel

09-10-2006, 01:40 PM	#17
tj_142 Guest Posts: n/a	all those engines have a designed life of about 2000hours at full load, to get your 8360 hors of life before major overhaul of diesel the mfg recommends funning about 35-30kw , should burn about 3 gallons n hr. Diesel 2.35 gal?, close enough GHopper $6 a hour nite time dba in country or open land is about 50-55 even with noisey crickets.............75 dba could be heard from a mile away depending on terrian.......................oil changes and filter changes every 10 days at a cost of about $100.

09-10-2006, 03:27 PM	#18
burnie Guest Posts: n/a	Free gas OK generator gurus......help a guy out here . I`ve moved into a place with free natural gas . I`m looking for a 5K or under generator that`s continuous duty , and having all kindsa` trouble finding anything . And it has to be the slow spin jobbies (1800 rpm ) as I have neighbors within 100 yards or so . I`d like to rig it up in the root cellar and figure out how to muffle the exhaust noise . Out here in the sticks , the 5k would be enough to power up the house during times in the winter when the power goes off due to tree limbs etc . Has anyone heard of cont. duty this small (5KW) that runs on nat gas ? Thanks ! peace...burnie

09-10-2006, 04:09 PM	#19
Glass Man Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 11	Quote: Originally Posted by burnie OK generator gurus......help a guy out here . I`ve moved into a place with free natural gas . I`m looking for a 5K or under generator that`s continuous duty , and having all kindsa` trouble finding anything . And it has to be the slow spin jobbies (1800 rpm ) as I have neighbors within 100 yards or so . I`d like to rig it up in the root cellar and figure out how to muffle the exhaust noise . Out here in the sticks , the 5k would be enough to power up the house during times in the winter when the power goes off due to tree limbs etc . Has anyone heard of cont. duty this small (5KW) that runs on nat gas ? Thanks ! peace...burnie Burnie, Look into "Micro co-generation", I think that's what it's called. They are using these units in Europe which generate heat and electricity on a very small scale, for individual homes. I checked out some websites a while back, but had sorta forgotten about it. About 10 years ago I was hunting for land with natural gas wells in TN, since I need gas for blowing glass. I never found the right place, but it's great that you have. Good luck, glass

09-11-2006, 01:09 PM	#20
tj_142 Guest Posts: n/a	Quote: wouldn't be more prudent to run multiple 2kva units? if your running AC power No, Sync equipment would kill you your running DC power Honda makes a 3000 watt AC gen that they parallel at dc. can get up to 6000watts I believe.

09-11-2006, 04:03 PM	#21
Glass Man Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 11	Gensets just aren't made for long term use. That's going to be your main thing to deal with "long term durability". If you have to pay 2X upfront but get 10X the lifespan, you'll end up being 5X ahead in the end. And that's not including the cost of setting up, shipping charges, etc 5 times. Durability is what you are looking for.

09-11-2006, 04:35 PM	#22
c-ray Amatéur Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Zion Posts: 9,773 Favorites: crystal skulls, starburst, saskwatch, i-spice, timewarp, montreal chemo, Knep, NLP, nepwarp, Sweet C	take a look at stirling engines, low rpm, low pressure, flexible fuel source, could be interesting once they are more available http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_engine
	"In the uptake of nutrients from the soil food web, sulphur is the catalyst for carbon chemistry, boron gives us sap pressure and silicon builds the capillary action that transports plant sap. Only then can calcium, magnesium and amino acids be delivered to cell division sites for chlorophyll manufacture. As chlorophyll catches light, phosphorous transfers energy into sugar production—after which a mix of sugars and more complex products follow potassium through the silica pathways to provide energy or its storage wherever required in the plant." Hugh Lovel

09-11-2006, 08:12 PM	#23
tj_142 Guest Posts: n/a	Hey grasshopper, burn has a existing ac synchronous gen as well as AC contractor portable, we discussed in pm, he was looking into converting his gasoline units to nat gas with after market carb kit. I was answering his Q about expense of paralleling AC generators. Quote: gensets are not designed for 24/7/365 use I've seen thousands installed that run prime power. Your idea is both plausable and feasable, but initial outlay of capital I believe exceeds burn's budget, he has a very good old 18hp engine Cast iron engine, whats the gen eff of of your DC alternator and approx cost of alternator alone?

09-11-2006, 10:00 PM	#24
burnie Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah , now you`re talkin` tj ! I`m waiting and listening . BTW , it`s an old 12 hp Briggs single cylinder . peace...burnie

09-12-2006, 12:00 AM	#25
Herb Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 24	This is some info from Bowers Power Systems web site. GAS OR DIESEL? We recommend diesels due to their longevity and lower operating costs. Today

09-12-2006, 01:34 AM	#26
tj_142 Guest Posts: n/a	Burnie.............if your only running 2000watts of light, that 12hp has capacity to produce 7kw with a gen eff of .80, thats conservative. so with free nat gas, a good 4kw gen can help do the job..... on the net search for Winco PTO drive AC generator, they use these to run off a stub shaft of farm tractors and you can use a flex coupling and shaft to run it off that engine you have If not maybe GH can help us with the 48volt DC and we can locate some surplus .com storage batteries and invertor If you get this far, then As far as noise, I can design a silent box made out of plywood and sound absorbing material to quiet that engine.............into the ground with exhaust will work as well, it does create backpressure, I can help take care of that noise too.

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