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spaceman · 06-30-2012, 07:52 AM

wondering if raw goat milk will help with the pm....

otto · 07-01-2012, 04:45 PM

Haven't seen a trace of PM in my garden for a year, staggered HP spray once every few days, milk spray every other few days, each treatment on it's own without stagger the PM built up an immunity, these two simple treatments staggered evicted the PM from the garden haven't seen it since, plus of course good air flow......nature has it's own way of keeping pm from killing whole maple trees and etc.......no one is out there treating them......birds?...bugs?.......it's out there in the forest.....what is preventing the pm from decimating whole forested areas?........diversity of plant life, trees, and organisms me thinks....

spaceman · 11-27-2012, 09:21 PM

So this run. I started with ASA one week and lithovit the other week and have been alternating them. This is the first run i have done in 4 years where i have not seen pm at this point already.Granted i have a better environment, which probably plays a big part. but i am still just moving outside air, and i can see the pm on maple trees around the area.There must be something to this we will keep going and see. if i dont see it by week 5 or 6 of flower then i will be convinced......

c-ray · 11-27-2012, 09:52 PM

what's your brix at?

I'm going to test brix before and after spraying lithovit, probably it raises the brix.. we just got our refractometer in the mail, tested a couple plants and they were both 11 degrees brix.. these were from a couple haggard old plants that were grown non-ideal for months and just transplanted into ideal soil recently, not the best examples by far so I have high hopes. they say at 12 degrees brix and up in the sap fungal growth stops, and I believe it.. because we had some pm issues a while back, but since we started feeding to promote brix it is gonzo as far as I can tell.. we have a microscope so I can check for pm.. the thing about brix is it's a direct reading of how much energy the plant is moving.. sugars are energy, so a plant that is moving lots of energy will draw hard at the roots and the shoots, it will be a kung fu superstar that beats pm down

spaceman · 12-25-2012, 11:41 PM

http://www.cabdirect.org/abstracts/2...11-15-g9672536

I know some folks use oz for pest control, i am thinking this might be a good option if some thing happens late in flower, was wondering if it has any effect on soil microbes etc.
Basically you seal your room and pump ozone in for 6 hours? wheres that flyer guy i thought he was using ozone for pests wonder how he do?

waywardson · 12-29-2012, 01:11 AM

A sap pH of 6.4 will prevent PM period. It is when you get it lower than that that you get fungal problems.

Look up Tainio's work.

c-ray · 12-29-2012, 02:09 AM

care to post a reference? I only ask because I have not come across that particular info before.. I know Tainio wrote a book but have not read it yet..

waywardson · 12-29-2012, 06:51 PM

http://bionutrient.org/sites/all/fil...Management.pdf

It is an interview but they talk about it.

c-ray · 12-29-2012, 07:29 PM

yes that's a great read, guess I missed the part about pm the first read through.. deserves a few more reads anyways.. thanks for posting it here..

Quote:

Graeme: I’d like to ask you some questions about your sap pH technique. One of the reasons that we travelled all the way to Spokane from Queensland in Australia was because I consider this finding of yours to be a major breakthrough. Our research department has been working with the sap pH concept for the past twelve months and we’ve yet to find an exception to your rule that acidic sap creates a pre-disposition toward disease. If a zucchini in the trial plots has powdery mildew, it’ll always have a sap pH below 6.4. We promote your concept on a wide scale in Australia.

Bruce: Because all cells in all living organisms have an ideal level of each of these elements, there had to be a relationship between the vibratory frequency and the pH of the plant sap because the presence or absence of these elements determines pH. When we found the link, it covered my rear to a certain extent because I was able to get away from talking vibratory frequency and begin talking pH, which everyone was familiar with. It’s not a big step to move from soil pH to plant pH as a valid analysis tool. In essence, I discovered that there was a direct correlation between the hydrogen content in the cell and plant health. At the ideal of 6.4, the hydrogen content of plant fluids is approximately 12%. If you calculate out all of the frequencies attributed to each element - add up their individual frequencies - you’ll come to the ideal frequency of a living plant. If there is more than 12% hydrogen and the plant sap is acidic, it will mean that you have displaced one of those elements and usually it turns out to be calcium or potassium. This displacement alters the vibratory frequency of that plant. So this is how I got into the pH concept in the first place.

spaceman · 01-03-2013, 05:42 AM

ok i will try the brix sap bit, i am almost there anyways, just have to get me a refract o meter next time i am in the city and some thing to test sap ph??I hope this is the magic bullet from what i have read seems real good so we will see in real situation.

waywardson · 01-03-2013, 11:54 PM

Horiba makes sap pH meters...only need a couple drops of sap to measure pH.

If you cannot find one Custom Hydroponics sells them

It is all about cation-anion balance. Get your base cation saturations right and enough P, not too much NO3 and you will not have plant health problems anymore.

I literally had thrips...lowered my sap pH by reducing NO3 to 6.4 and the thrips disappeared...amazing. I don't think mold will go away once established but if you start plants without it they will not be affected imo.

spaceman · 01-04-2013, 12:30 AM

spaceman · 02-25-2013, 05:52 AM

so a 10% whole milk solution mixed with asa and lithovit, biowash, and i have had no pm issues no sign s of it and i am 6 weeks or so since last application. I will keep a watch out but we have our hopes up. This is the longest run yet for pm for me will keep yous posted peace...

c-ray · 02-25-2013, 08:05 AM

welcome to the future

06-30-2012, 07:52 AM	#131
spaceman Civilized worm Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,090	wondering if raw goat milk will help with the pm....
	The places in between

11-27-2012, 09:21 PM	#133
spaceman Civilized worm Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,090	So this run. I started with ASA one week and lithovit the other week and have been alternating them. This is the first run i have done in 4 years where i have not seen pm at this point already.Granted i have a better environment, which probably plays a big part. but i am still just moving outside air, and i can see the pm on maple trees around the area.There must be something to this we will keep going and see. if i dont see it by week 5 or 6 of flower then i will be convinced......
	The places in between

11-27-2012, 09:52 PM	#134
c-ray Amatéur Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Zion Posts: 9,767 Favorites: crystal skulls, starburst, saskwatch, i-spice, timewarp, montreal chemo, Knep, NLP, nepwarp, Sweet C	what's your brix at? I'm going to test brix before and after spraying lithovit, probably it raises the brix.. we just got our refractometer in the mail, tested a couple plants and they were both 11 degrees brix.. these were from a couple haggard old plants that were grown non-ideal for months and just transplanted into ideal soil recently, not the best examples by far so I have high hopes. they say at 12 degrees brix and up in the sap fungal growth stops, and I believe it.. because we had some pm issues a while back, but since we started feeding to promote brix it is gonzo as far as I can tell.. we have a microscope so I can check for pm.. the thing about brix is it's a direct reading of how much energy the plant is moving.. sugars are energy, so a plant that is moving lots of energy will draw hard at the roots and the shoots, it will be a kung fu superstar that beats pm down
	"In the uptake of nutrients from the soil food web, sulphur is the catalyst for carbon chemistry, boron gives us sap pressure and silicon builds the capillary action that transports plant sap. Only then can calcium, magnesium and amino acids be delivered to cell division sites for chlorophyll manufacture. As chlorophyll catches light, phosphorous transfers energy into sugar production—after which a mix of sugars and more complex products follow potassium through the silica pathways to provide energy or its storage wherever required in the plant." Hugh Lovel

12-25-2012, 11:41 PM	#135
spaceman Civilized worm Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,090	http://www.cabdirect.org/abstracts/2...11-15-g9672536 I know some folks use oz for pest control, i am thinking this might be a good option if some thing happens late in flower, was wondering if it has any effect on soil microbes etc. Basically you seal your room and pump ozone in for 6 hours? wheres that flyer guy i thought he was using ozone for pests wonder how he do?
	The places in between

12-29-2012, 02:09 AM	#137
c-ray Amatéur Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Zion Posts: 9,767 Favorites: crystal skulls, starburst, saskwatch, i-spice, timewarp, montreal chemo, Knep, NLP, nepwarp, Sweet C	care to post a reference? I only ask because I have not come across that particular info before.. I know Tainio wrote a book but have not read it yet..
	"In the uptake of nutrients from the soil food web, sulphur is the catalyst for carbon chemistry, boron gives us sap pressure and silicon builds the capillary action that transports plant sap. Only then can calcium, magnesium and amino acids be delivered to cell division sites for chlorophyll manufacture. As chlorophyll catches light, phosphorous transfers energy into sugar production—after which a mix of sugars and more complex products follow potassium through the silica pathways to provide energy or its storage wherever required in the plant." Hugh Lovel

07-01-2012, 04:45 PM	#132
otto Perfect Isolation Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 189	Haven't seen a trace of PM in my garden for a year, staggered HP spray once every few days, milk spray every other few days, each treatment on it's own without stagger the PM built up an immunity, these two simple treatments staggered evicted the PM from the garden haven't seen it since, plus of course good air flow......nature has it's own way of keeping pm from killing whole maple trees and etc.......no one is out there treating them......birds?...bugs?.......it's out there in the forest.....what is preventing the pm from decimating whole forested areas?........diversity of plant life, trees, and organisms me thinks....

12-29-2012, 01:11 AM	#136
waywardson Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 48 Favorites: panama	A sap pH of 6.4 will prevent PM period. It is when you get it lower than that that you get fungal problems. Look up Tainio's work.

12-29-2012, 06:51 PM	#138
waywardson Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 48 Favorites: panama	http://bionutrient.org/sites/all/fil...Management.pdf It is an interview but they talk about it.

12-29-2012, 07:29 PM	#139
c-ray Amatéur Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Zion Posts: 9,767 Favorites: crystal skulls, starburst, saskwatch, i-spice, timewarp, montreal chemo, Knep, NLP, nepwarp, Sweet C	yes that's a great read, guess I missed the part about pm the first read through.. deserves a few more reads anyways.. thanks for posting it here.. Quote: Graeme: I’d like to ask you some questions about your sap pH technique. One of the reasons that we travelled all the way to Spokane from Queensland in Australia was because I consider this finding of yours to be a major breakthrough. Our research department has been working with the sap pH concept for the past twelve months and we’ve yet to find an exception to your rule that acidic sap creates a pre-disposition toward disease. If a zucchini in the trial plots has powdery mildew, it’ll always have a sap pH below 6.4. We promote your concept on a wide scale in Australia. Bruce: Because all cells in all living organisms have an ideal level of each of these elements, there had to be a relationship between the vibratory frequency and the pH of the plant sap because the presence or absence of these elements determines pH. When we found the link, it covered my rear to a certain extent because I was able to get away from talking vibratory frequency and begin talking pH, which everyone was familiar with. It’s not a big step to move from soil pH to plant pH as a valid analysis tool. In essence, I discovered that there was a direct correlation between the hydrogen content in the cell and plant health. At the ideal of 6.4, the hydrogen content of plant fluids is approximately 12%. If you calculate out all of the frequencies attributed to each element - add up their individual frequencies - you’ll come to the ideal frequency of a living plant. If there is more than 12% hydrogen and the plant sap is acidic, it will mean that you have displaced one of those elements and usually it turns out to be calcium or potassium. This displacement alters the vibratory frequency of that plant. So this is how I got into the pH concept in the first place. Last edited by c-ray; 12-29-2012 at 07:38 PM.
	"In the uptake of nutrients from the soil food web, sulphur is the catalyst for carbon chemistry, boron gives us sap pressure and silicon builds the capillary action that transports plant sap. Only then can calcium, magnesium and amino acids be delivered to cell division sites for chlorophyll manufacture. As chlorophyll catches light, phosphorous transfers energy into sugar production—after which a mix of sugars and more complex products follow potassium through the silica pathways to provide energy or its storage wherever required in the plant." Hugh Lovel

01-03-2013, 05:42 AM	#140
spaceman Civilized worm Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,090	ok i will try the brix sap bit, i am almost there anyways, just have to get me a refract o meter next time i am in the city and some thing to test sap ph??I hope this is the magic bullet from what i have read seems real good so we will see in real situation.
	The places in between

01-03-2013, 11:54 PM	#141
waywardson Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 48 Favorites: panama	Horiba makes sap pH meters...only need a couple drops of sap to measure pH. If you cannot find one Custom Hydroponics sells them It is all about cation-anion balance. Get your base cation saturations right and enough P, not too much NO3 and you will not have plant health problems anymore. I literally had thrips...lowered my sap pH by reducing NO3 to 6.4 and the thrips disappeared...amazing. I don't think mold will go away once established but if you start plants without it they will not be affected imo.

01-04-2013, 12:30 AM	#142
spaceman Civilized worm Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,090	ty
	The places in between

02-25-2013, 05:52 AM	#143
spaceman Civilized worm Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,090	so a 10% whole milk solution mixed with asa and lithovit, biowash, and i have had no pm issues no sign s of it and i am 6 weeks or so since last application. I will keep a watch out but we have our hopes up. This is the longest run yet for pm for me will keep yous posted peace...
	The places in between

02-25-2013, 08:05 AM	#144
c-ray Amatéur Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Zion Posts: 9,767 Favorites: crystal skulls, starburst, saskwatch, i-spice, timewarp, montreal chemo, Knep, NLP, nepwarp, Sweet C	welcome to the future
	"In the uptake of nutrients from the soil food web, sulphur is the catalyst for carbon chemistry, boron gives us sap pressure and silicon builds the capillary action that transports plant sap. Only then can calcium, magnesium and amino acids be delivered to cell division sites for chlorophyll manufacture. As chlorophyll catches light, phosphorous transfers energy into sugar production—after which a mix of sugars and more complex products follow potassium through the silica pathways to provide energy or its storage wherever required in the plant." Hugh Lovel

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