Med Mans Methods

[Green Supreme]

Kind Canna Collective represent. Peace GS

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=204578

[Green Supreme]

If I copied and pasted the info from there, could someone make the pictures work? or am I pushin my luck? Peace GS

[nuggdigger]

i can't see the pictures..but if i could i would save them to my puter and then d/l them from the puter into this thread..

peas

[Springs]

I think it'll be easier if I just copied the text along with the pics...

in all my experience, ive never had bigger yields of higher quality in my entire life for such a low cost then these medical tables. all the material can be bought at any hardware store, minus the nutes of course, unless your store carries hyox, ph up and down and general hydroponics like rona does in canda then you are set. black and white polyt and maybe some hydro fittings are all you need.

ive dedicated my life to the kind canna collective, and have been designing and working on other peoples grows. now that i just moved i thought i would share my and dmts own personal grows with the community, as this is my favorite method for producing meds.

1.5 lb per kw is with major muck ups, 2 per is easy, 2.5 is the average, and 3 plus under optimal conditons. and thats with very high end hashplants that people claim dont yield.

any size tabels can be built. abs scrap board base, 2x6 spacers, and corplast lids, with most any kind of poly especially vopur barrier to water proof it. this is my basement:

[Green Supreme]

Booyah. You magic people know all the magic tricks. Peace GS

[Springs]

i have a 100 gal rez between both tables, and a 55 gal top off rez so that i dont have to do it every day to twice a day subject to growth stage. a float valve controls the source water(artesian spring water), and a float valve controls rez levels, this works great for warehouse too that have tiny water heaters(where deez mft's are) pics to come.
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[Springs]

so make the beds, water proof, cover then poly for reflective and aesthetic purposes, and you are rteady to grow. ive founfd these tables use the least amount of building material and cycle/maintainance expenses over a year to any othe set up ive ever tried, mm

[Springs]

dmt's medical film tables
once the tables/beds are made, slits are cut in the 4.75 inch holes in the coroplast to force in 5 inche baskets, the baskets have 3/16 holes drilled in the sides for the drip lines, the drip lines are connected to the feed line via tube adapters placed with a hole puncher/adapter rammer........the main line runs the length of each table and the pump in the 100 gal rez is dead centre of the tables so the pressure is mostly equal to all drip lines. simple 1/2 inch flow valves control the gph of nute solution, mm

[Springs]

Im out of pics after this, will take some tomorrow for sure of both production sites. becuase the kcc tries our best to grow organically, a barrel filter is always used in drip systems. it wouldnt be needed if you wanted to run just chems. mm



Originally Posted by hazy
Great set up mm. I guess the hardest part is setting those tables up with the right slope so they drain back to the res. I get dmts tables ok, but your long thin ones? I know the next pics will explain it, but it seems like they could be wider and hold more plants? I'm no hydro guy though, so i'll watch and learn.
Thanks for showing us.

So do nft systems run constantly. or do you cycle on and off?
my tables are 16 inches wide, more then enough space to grow some serious fibres, and still not clog. this is also the easiest, but i find most unforgiving set up. this is the first ever hydro i tried, and couldnt believ the results. there will only be 10 plants, each one surrounded by 4 600w digis, 50% super hps, 50% sunmaster super mh, mm

Originally Posted by ogenko
a larger size nft run . . .. i got a woody
any capilary mat or anything like that??
to be specific, it isnt 100% nft, thats why its mft lol. top feed drips over 3 inch rockwool cubes, once the roots hit the table, the nft begins. ive had roots so big sometimes that you can barely see table underneath. they creat a root matt, and intertwine,

all the breather roots grow out, up and away from the film, and all thedrinker roots follo the stream. these roots were from cuttings pre vegged ion 3 inch rw for 7 days then vegged for 10 in the mft's and this shot is 2 weeks into flowering when they virtually stop growing. the plants roots get 100 percent nutes and moisture they need and 100 percent air they need. growth rates are honestly comparable to aero farms, plant mass in any stage doubles every week u.o.c, mm

[Springs]

With 2gw's and no middle man I hope the KKC can pump out some quality meds at non black market $, sick folks are already pinching every penny with the cost of other basics going up.

[Bodah]

Such a great thread... However, I think it should be titled "philosophical film technique".

Cheers,
Bod

[The Cannarchist]

Am i stupid or is this just basic NFT?

[nuggdigger]

no capillary mat, no off cycles for the pump..
its like ghetto nft, DIY

[Green Supreme]

More from them. Peace GS

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=211075

[memyselfandi]

this setup with flyerponics would rock!

[Green Supreme]

So I am seeing more of how the Kind Kanna Collective{Medman's crew} really is. Watch the posts by one of their members called Vag Puncher in this thread. He is saying a world about the attitude of this crew. Peace GS

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=215005&page=4

[Bodah]

Wow... Pure greed~

[vapor]

seeems like he dont get much vag.....

[Bodah]

More like Bungpuncher...

Bod~

[Green Supreme]

His blog is back up. Peace GS

http://growyourownmedicine.blogspot.com/2011/04/med-man-method.html

[Green Supreme]

Hmmm. Peace GS

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=218588

[Green Supreme]

DMT defending Dragon Flower. Peace GS

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=198972

[vapor]

so whats the big deal about stretch anyways?

[vapor]

So dmt doesnt come back and post the info from ag Canada

[Green Supreme]

Phosphoload, Gravity, Bushmaster, Topload, and Flower Dragon Lab Test Results!
To this day many nutrient manufacturers have not disclosed the active or "secret" ingredients of their questionable products. We are told this is to keep any trade secrets from getting out but its fairly well known that any 'secrets' in this business are old news in the horticulture/agronomy department. People are buying products without any knowledge or concern of what said products contain. I know too many growers that moaned when Phosphoload was banned and when Gravity was taken off the shelves. Whether you use marijuana for recreational or medicinal use, its ridiculous to take a largely harmless plant and spray chemicals on it that are not allowed on food crops that can make your plant harmful if consumed.
Im a bit of a Blackstone libertarian in that i think if you want to hurt yourself, you can go ahead and do it as long as you harm no others. However many of the people buying these products and spraying their plants with these harmful chemicals DO NOT grow for just their own needs. Many provide to dispensaries where their chemical sprayed product is SOLD AS MEDICINE, or to an illicit market where unsuspecting buyers are consuming a product that's more harmful than they've come to know. Marijuana is by astronomical proportions the most consumed somewhat-illicit substance in the world, and that's because its comparatively a harmless substance with many [potential] health benefits. But once you start spraying your cannabis with some of these plant growth regulators/retardants (PGR's) and systemic fungicides and insecticides (but that's a whole separate discussion), you're creating a potentially harmful product and providing it to a large group of consumers/patients who are unwittingly consuming marijuana that's now more harmful to consume than in the history of its existence.
We've all heard that nobody has died from smoking weed. Well, with a new standard of harmful PGR's and systemics sweeping through the growers community, i think that might change soon. there has already been a medical marijuana/AVID related death. Its just a matter of time before peoples health starts getting compromised form the consumption of these mystery PGR products and systemics.

The following attachments were provided to me by G. Low, author of Integral Hydroponics and the co/owner of integralhydro.com and manicbotanix.com, with the expressed permission to post said given attachments. The attachments are lab test results of PGR concentration of different "mystery" growth regulating products like Phosphoload, Gravity, Flower Dragon etc. Thank you G for all your personal endeavors in fighting the good fight against the PGR Peddlers
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File Type: pdf GravityFlowerHardener.pdf (483.0 KB, 25 views)
File Type: pdf Bushmaster.pdf (37.1 KB, 14 views)
File Type: pdf TopLoad.pdf (479.4 KB, 4 views)
File Type: pdf FlowerDragon_test2.pdf (484.7 KB, 4 views)
File Type: pdf FlowerDragon_Lab_Test.pdf (485.8 KB, 6 views)
File Type: pdf FlowerDragon_Recall_SS.pdf (499.5 KB, 10 views)


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Lab Testing Results courtesy of integralhydro.com
Bushmaster: 271ppm Paclobutrazol
Gravity: 516ppm Paclobutrazol
Flower Dragon: 18,400-18,650ppm Daminozide, 30-46.3ppm Paclobutrazol
Phosphoload: 17,800ppm Daminozide, 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol
TopLoad: 3,467ppm Daminozide

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This was written by G. Low, the provider of the above attachments.

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The Daminozide Money Trail

Let’s analyze for a moment how much money is made by those promoting PGRs as “rare earth elements”, “citrates”, “arginates”, “quinalone” (a new one to me), “humatic isolates”, “kelp” etc to unsuspecting consumers.

The math…

1 gram of pure substance in 1L equates to 1000ppm. Given Flower Dragon contains 18,400ppm of Daminozide this equates to 18.4 grams per litre of Daminozide at 100% purity in 1L (solute (Daminozide) + solvent (water) = 1L).

Recently, for the purpose of this article, I priced purchasing 100Kg of Daminozide from a Chinese supplier. The product was 850 grams a kilo Daminozide or 85% purity.

Next….

To achieve 18,500ppm of Daminozide in solution with the Chinese product it would require 21.76g/L. Based on this, 1Kg of 85% Daminozide would produce 45.95 litres of Flower Dragon. The price of the Chinese product at 100Kg was $97.00 USD per Kg. Add shipping and other costs to this and we could conservatively estimate that Daminozide costs ex China $98.50 USD per kilo landed in BC, Canada where Flower Dragon is produced. Let’s be generous and make that $100 USD per 1Kg of Daminozide. Therefore, 100 Kg of Daminozide costs $10,000 USD ex China to BC. Don’t get hung up on the math. It’s largely irrelevant. The end result is the important thing (for those of you wishing to check my math feel free).

Okay, so we know that 1Kg of 85% Daminozide produces $45.95 litres of Flower Dragon and 1Kg of Daminozide costs $100 USD. Therefore 1L of Flower Dragon requires $2.17 of Daminozide (I.e. 100 ÷ 45.95 = $2.17 USD).

Let’s also add twenty cents in Paclobutrazol (PBZ being cheap and used at low levels), $1.00 per plastic bottle used in production and $1.50 for labels. Total cost to produce 1L of Flower Dragon = $4.87 (round that off to $5.00 for ridiculously low levels of P and K that are also added in production).

Next….

100 kilo of 85% purity Daminozide makes 4595.5 litres of Flower Dragon or 4595.5 1L bottles of saleable product. Total cost to produce equals $22, 977 USD based on $5.00 per bottle estimate.

Next….

Flower Dragon retails in the US for $120.00. We have 4595.5 1L bottles each retailing for $120.00. 4595.5 x $120.00 = $551,460.00 from an initial investment of $22, 977. Therefore, the profit made along the way equates to $528,483.00 or roughly 2,300%.

Next….

Wholesalers typically mark up products 30% and retailers typically have markups of 100% on consumables. Based on this, Flower Dragon is sold to the wholesalers for about $45.00 (a $40.00 profit for Envy Plant Products or a 900% profit and $40 x 4595.5 = $183,820.00 on 100Kg of Daminozide = $165,4380.00 in profits); wholesalers then sell to retailers at $60.00 (4595.5 x $20 = $91,910) and finally retailers Flower Dragon to consumers for $120.00 (4595.5 x $60 = $275, 730).

Wow!!

Of course, I’ve oversimplified this somewhat because people have rents etc to pay. The aim, however, is to demonstrate the vast sums of money that are made through the sales of these products.

What is most important to note here is the vast amount of profits generated all flow to the top of the Daminozide pyramid. That is, wholesalers make 30%, retailers make 100% and Steve Berlow et al make 900% on 100% of all Flower Dragon sales across the US et al. Technically speaking, this amounts to millions of dollars earned very quickly from lies, more lies, more lies, and Daminozide.


Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Sorry links don't work. Important parts are in the second post. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

He's at it again. Peace GS

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=225643

[Green Supreme]

More stuff. Peace GS

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=4868574#post4868574