Diary of a Hydro Raid

[Green Supreme]

So many of you may not have heard that I was busted on the 15th. I am the first person I have encountered to be turned in by BC Hydro in Vancouver. I am safe and so is my dog and grow equipment. Over the next few weeks I will be filling this thread with stuff that happened and the hoops one must jump through in this situation. Till now this subject seemed taboo on the net, but I feel many of my experiences can help others in the future. Please don't worry for me all this will certainly put me ahead in the end, as it did the other 2 times I was raided. Peace GS

[spaceman]

respect

[TheForSaken]

I'm sorry to hear about your misfortune GS.
How can you be so sure that it was BC Hydro until you get your disclosure from your lawyer?
If there's anything the community can do for you, don't hesitate to ask...
Take care
TFS

[Green Supreme]

Will lay it all out soon ,just want to be on another computer.Peace GS

[guest]

Faaaaaack!
Sorry for the ruff times my man.
Society needs more growers like you.
Seems like you are the kind that will extract the best out of the shittiest, regardless.
One Love

[Springs]

Sorry to hear GS, your positive attitude and outlook show your true greatness.

Cant wait to see what you do next!

[dpn]

take care bro, im sure your be ok in the end! :)

[Green Supreme]

Thanks folks, will be on this when I can get on my laptop in a coffee shop or something. Peace GS

[DOZEE]

Damm bro. I wish you luck.if you ever want to start up in colorado legal like id love to have as a guest.

[Bram]

Sorry to hear man. If theres anything I can do to help just shout.

[nuggdigger]

:popcorn: taking mad notes..
interested in how one gets through it without those pesky criminal charges to mess up life..
mad respect and green futures'
thanx for sharing

peace

[Green Supreme]

Alright so I have a joint rolled and a bottle of water as well as some time so here we go.

The house is a small 2 bedroom main floor with a basement. I had a 10 x 14 foot flower room with 5000 watts of HPS. I had a double swamp cooler and a 2500 cfm exhaust fan. There were 2 Wing Devil fanx on the floor and a hepa filter. I had a Can100 cleaning the air in the room with the appropriate can fan.There were usually between 17 and 25 six foot plants in 5 gallon pots.

My veg room was 10 x 10 with one 1000 watt MH and 2 400 watt MH's. I had a 20 inch industrial fan on the floor moving the air. There were about 100 plants in veg at any given time, spread amongst about 45 strains. I also had at least 1 tray of 40 cuts covering 5 different strains at any given time. Rooted cuts went into 1 gallon pots for a month, then were transplanted to 2 gallon for a month and last into 5 gallon pots before going into flower. I do a perpetual harvest so there are always many stages of growth.

Spare bedroom upstairs was drying room it had an oil heater and Can50, I think with the appropriate fan to remove smell.

The house used about $695 in power every 2 months. Seems this was the limit for this house.

[Green Supreme]

At the end of June I got a notice from the city saying that the hedge out front had to be trimmed as it was badly over grown. I have neither the tools nor the skills for such a job, so I called the landlord. He said he would come deal with it one day. He phoned one day and said he was coming over and asked for a power cord to be left out through the mail slot. He came over and worked on it for 5 hours that day even going on the roof. So glad I was there to shut down the exhaust fan. 3 day later I get another note from the city about the hedge. I was there at the time so I ran out and asked the fellow what was up. He said there was still 6 inches of side walk that was covered. I asked if he had noticed that a trim was already done and he told me someone must have complained. He said sidewalk must be completely clear to 8 feet up. I called the landlord and he came back, this time a further 4 hours and complete raping of the hedge. Couple weeks later my bill comes and for that 2 month period I have suddenly used $985. In power. $300 more than usual. Oh my gawd. This ends the set up part of all this. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

So Tuesday the 15th I get the cop knock at my door. I have a friend from out of town staying with me and I look at him and say oh oh. I open my peep hole the there are 4 people at the door. The front guy tells me BC Hydro, my local power company, has turned me in for high power consumption. He wants to come in and examine the power box. I said I don`t see anything in the way of a warrant so I don`t think so. He informed me that that was not necessary and that is why this route is chosen. I say ok well not much for me to say then. The 4 people were 2 hydro workers, an animal workers and a cop. He asked when we examine you panel are we going to find a grow. I said yes. He said is it a med grow, I answered that I had been speaking to a lawyer about it the day before. This was true, although I was not trying to become legal, just stating that a med program is divide and conquer for weed peeps. Anyways my med view have little to do with all this. He said well this is how it will go then. We are going to chop your plants and your power and leave. I said right this way, not giving them any chance to examine the main floor. As we came down the stairs I had a small angry plant Black Seed x Nigerian I had just recently received in a beer cup on the drier. The animal worker stated if this is any indication what this grow is like this will be interesting. Time for another break. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

So soon as you get into the basement the panel is visible. He asked if I altered anything and I told him an electrician friend had put it together. I had a timer board made with a Intermatic T-104 timer hooked to the stove outlet. My ballasts sat open on the burners of the basement stove except one, which was in a box on the fridge. Wires ran from the kitchen into the flower room for the bulbs. One hydro dude followed the wiring, the other asked me who my friend the electrician was and we all laughed. As one of them said , like I was gonna say. They looked into the packed veg room in shock. I told them the saddest part about this is that there are 45 strains in there and some will never be recovered again. Was funny I actually saw shame on their faces.

[Green Supreme]

Then another officer in full uniform with a gas mask entered and started cutting the veg plants. Meanwhile,the wire following hydro guy and the head cop from the front door went to check the flower room. Me, the other hydro dude and the animal control lady waited near the back door. She looks at the garbage bags by the door and her face drops, "Is that all bud?". No, used dirt I laughed. The guys come out of the flower room,"Man never seen one like that before. Lotta empty space in there". I was like sounds like you are trying to pigeon hole me into a wrong category. "Where's the CO2?" Again I say you are trying to pigeon hole me. I was like what are you folks going to do when cannabis is legal. The head dude say, "Oh they will always have work for me." Wire chaser says, I am gonna grow weed everyone will. I say, well not everyone makes booze and its legal. I then turned to them, "I bet you all drink booze, huh?" Again I see shame. They say you should get a med grow going, you seem to be good at what you do and you will be safer. I said I doubted being legal would mean I would be safer. I mean booze and alcohol are legal and you almost never hear of anyone stealing that shit. LOL.

[guest]

:popcorn::cry::respect:

[Alchemist]

sorry to hear man, I hope you get back on your feet soon and are able to do what you love without the man showing up at your door anymore

[DOZEE]

lifts my glass and bong to you my friend.

[Green Supreme]

Thank you all for your kind words. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Day 10
-canceled rent cheques
-did laundry

[Green Supreme]

Day 11-13
nothing much to do till movers come. Spent last night in the house on the 13th. Had the Trailer Park Boys movie downloaded to watch but it didn't work. So cold that night I let the dog sleep on my bed. First time I ever saw her shiver. Covered us all up and it wasn't too bad. Peace GS

[HATCH]

MMMMM, Did Some Of This Thread Get Deleted ????

[nuggdigger]

yes..accidentally
http://www.cannabis-world.org/cw/showpost.php?p=93155&postcount=17

peace

[HATCH]

That's Cool, I Was Just Check And Making Sure We Or I Didn't Say Anything Wrong That Could Have Hurt GS.

Cheers`;`Hatch`;`

[Green Supreme]

Day 14
-take dog to vet to have tooth removed
movers come.
-drying room stuff needs to be cleaned before it comes out so I ask the movers to do that room last
-Move stuff from basement out to yard for movers. When I am one one of them pulls me aside. Says some of this stuff cannot be taken , I look and he just started in that room right away after I asked him to do it last. Turn out he had taken out a bag of fan leaves and packed it on the van. I told him he was supposed to do that room last and that bag was garbage and not supposed to go. Go get it back. Well it's buried now he says.Lame.
-I tell them there is a freezer in the main part of the basement that needs to go too. Then I go down and close the doors to all the rooms. No need to have them snoopin' in there. Then I go do some small packing and the dude comes back , that's a huge freezer. So he was down there, then he says, so they let you keep your equipment huh. Facker went and snooped anyways. I looked at him, what's wrong with you man? Again he says huh and walk away to do something else.

-I realize I won't have enough cash to pay for move and call boss, he says, give he boys what you have and come down later and we will work things out. They finish and I send them on their way.
-Couple hours later I show up at the storage and see the boss. He says, ogh the boys should be done maybe go see how they did. I go down to the basement and head for the loading docks, as I approach I can see the 3 movers on their knees. They have the bag of shake spread all over this long roll of paper and are picking out the small nugs. One notices me, ho ho customers here. I look at them, what the hells is wrong with you guys. I told you that's garbage. You better not be charging me for this time. No no charge. I say I toldya there's crap in there. One dude shows me 3 little nubs. The dude in charge looks at me and says you can't keep this here. I said I told that guy it wa garbage and you weren't supposed to take it anyways. He looks at the dude shaking his head. Well it can't stay here. I was like I am on foot . I'm not carrying that bag with me on foot.You guys took it when you weren`t supposed to. Put it back in the garbage bag and it into the alley. It will be gone in 20 minutes. Ok he says. Then I look in the back of the moving truck and my tool box was still on there. I was like what's up with that. Oh is that yours dude says? I was like is it yours? He says no then gives the others shit for forgetting it.
-picked the dog from her surgery and spent the night at a friends.
Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Day 15
-rest of stuff to dump
-conspicuous stuff to storage

Night at friends. Peace GS

[c-ray]

VyGYd49sTHc

[Green Supreme]

Day 16
-other car towed to storage
-left message for landlord telling him I was busted and apologizing
-left note telling things I ad replaced and stuff that could be fixed
-locked house and through key threw mail slot

This ends the house part of this all. I know I know but you know what I mean. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Day 17
day off
Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Day 18
-moved me and he dog a few cities over
-inquired into more cash
-trimmed all the weed from the drying room

and that's`about where I am at now till cash shows to move me forward. I will continue this as things progress all the way till back to work. Thanks for looking. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

I have put this all up on fullmeltbubble.com and ic mag too. Perhaps when someone skilled enough comes along they can reconstruct it properly. I could never put the missing days in where they belong so it would be all over the place. Peace GS

http://www.fullmeltbubble.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6621
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=152250

[HATCH]

Man Bro, Sounds Like The Movers My Have Picked Through More Then Just The Garbage !!! EH!!! Bastards, You Can't Trust Anyone These Days, Hell & You Were Even There, Just Think What They Went Through When They Had The Chance !!! Very Sad.. Hopefully You Won't Have To Have Your Stuff In There Storage For Long.

Sorry Again You Are Having To Go Through All This, But You Have Had A Great Attitude About It All, Great Respect For Ya !!!

[GoKart Motzart]

Mucho props on the entertaining and informative diary! Can't wait till your back up and running! Were all cheering you on! Fuck prohibition! Heres to the day that freedom reigns Supreme!

[spaceman]

crazey movers!!

[Loki]

I don't get it, GS. The cops aren't allowed in without a warrant, and the safety team has to give you notice before entry. Have you talked to a lawyer yet?

[Green Supreme]

Lawyers are for court. No one going to court here. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Forgot to mention that when I was cleaning up the grow I had a pot with maybe 3 inches of stalk and the tiniest little leaf you ever saw. It turned out to be Red's pick of LUI , so that and the Black Seed x Nigerian live on in another location. Peace GS

[Loki]

The house used about $695 in power every 2 months. Seems this was the limit for this house.

I know several people in Surrey, Langley and Abbotsford that have been taken down this way. I'm pretty familiar with the rules (especially having been taken down myself last May, albeit for a different reason)

The guidelines say 93 kwhrs per day, there's a copy online somewhere that I posted a link to at one time. You were using about double that or more, at that rate. They had you an a list for some time before they came knocking, I'd say.

What happens is the municipality requests a list from BC Hydro of all single-family dwellings whose power consumption exceeds 93 kw hrs per day. They then do drive-bys to see if there's any obvious reason the power usage is so high. If there isn't any reason, the house goes on a list to be inspected.

The BC Supreme Court ruled (last year, I believe), that the police are not allowed to accompany the safety inspection team onto your property without a warrant. In Surrey and Langley, The inspection teams must give you 24 or 48 hours notice before entry, and I'm certain that that's a legal requirement. Cops have even mentioned in the media often that they recognize the same people at several inspections who had obviously taken advantage of this notice period to dismantle the operation.

I'd say you were had, GS. You should have stood your ground.

[Green Supreme]

Thanks. Peace GS

[Kali]

:respect:

Sorry to hear you were set up like that.

Nice to hear you and the dog are safe and you got off relatively unscathed.

This buds for you!

Kali

[Loki]

I'm not trying to rub salt in the wound, GS. I've been there, and I feel for you but I think it's important that the folks here are aware of their rights, and stand up for them when need be. Having cops and inspectors run roughshod over our civil liberties really pisses me off.

[Green Supreme]

Not so sure it was a set up, but see it as yous will. Peace GS

[guest]

..

[Green Supreme]

Ya the thing that gets me is all these people suggesting I should have run. Lets play devils advocate and say I chopped all the plants , packed and left. I would be further ahead how again? Peace GS

[Loki]

I never said anything about running or chopping. You don't think it would have been possible to temporarily remove your plants until after the inspection? Or at least saved a few strains from being lost? You did what you did, it's history now. No reason not to try to learn for future reference.

[Loki]

Just for future reference, the inspection team will look at your electrical system to try to determine where all the juice was going. You can make it easy on yourself by having a bunch of baseboard heaters or AC units connected, but unused as a cover. Try to make everything as take-down friendly, plug and play as possible. You don't have to take your stuff far, just stack it in the back yard with a tarp over it. They're not there to search, just inspect your electrical. If they see evidence of a grow-op, they can call the police who can then get a warrant. Don't show them any evidence, they're gone, and you're in the clear.

[Green Supreme]

See, now that's helpful. Thank you. Peace GS

[Loki]

That's all I was trying to be, GS.

Peace.

[Parabola]

It was the most valuable insight so far Loki. What's done is done but learning is the key. It is very hard to stand up to "authority" unless you know your rights and have practiced a bit doing dry runs in role playing with friends. Officers train in methods to abrogate your rights, why not train to counter?

[Green Supreme]

One thing that does not show in this thread is how heat score I felt in this house since the legislation went through to allow these things. 93kwh/day was the line and I was at 153. Kinda high for a little place. I have wanted to add another light for a year now but was putting it off. This next place will be a lot larger so that higher power is not surprising. I also have other plans so I will need no more than 4000 watts for the next garden. These plans will unfold as I get things worked out. Leaving this place is literally a blessing for me. Peace GS

[Parabola]

can't wait to see the new pics!

[Sicarii]

awesome GS. Its pretty inspirational to a newbie like me to see you just shake yourself off and keep on going.

peace and love
sicarii

[Loki]

It was the most valuable insight so far Loki. What's done is done but learning is the key. It is very hard to stand up to "authority" unless you know your rights and have practiced a bit doing dry runs in role playing with friends. Officers train in methods to abrogate your rights, why not train to counter?

That's very true, but having had a fair amount of experience in this area, I have unfortunately had some practice.

The most important thing to keep in mind about all this is that nobody is ever allowed to invade your home without a warrant or probable cause, in the case of the cops (a high electric bill is a long way from probable cause, which is pretty hard for cops to come by unless you're doing something really dumb), or a minimum of 24 hours written notice in the case of the landlord or bylaw inspector. The only exception to this is in the case of an immediate and obvious threat to someone's life or safety, like a fire or a psycho in the window with a chainsaw in his hands. Never, ever let them in without a piece of paper to show you first (or maybe at the point of a gun).

[Green Supreme]

So if you say no they just leave you alone and don't watch? Or is this just speculation? Just curious what really happens after no. Peace GS

[Loki]

It's not speculation, GS. It's based on personal experience. They can watch from the sidewalk all they like, though I highly doubt they could afford to waste the manpower in that way, but they will absolutely leave you alone, at least for 24 hours.

This isn't a police state, we have a charter of rights, the pertinent ones being the right to life, liberty and security of person; the right to be secure against unreasonable search and siezure; and the right to not be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned. These are very strictly enforced by our courts, and the cops know it. There are no charges against you, I'll bet, because they know what they did wouldn't stand up in court.

[Green Supreme]

Yes well if that is he case I would do things same way if it happened again. Not willing to put anyone else at risk on purpose. Peace GS

[Loki]

Yes well if that is he case I would do things same way if it happened again. Not willing to put anyone else at risk on purpose. Peace GS

I'm not sure what you mean.

To give you an example of what I'm talking about, a friend of mine was transporting a very large quantity of material over the mountains to the interior. Outside of Hope he hit a roadblock and the cops told him they wanted to inspect his vehicle. He refused to allow them entry. They wouldn't let him leave (maybe they were trying to get a warrant or something?), so after a few minutes he called a taxi from Hope, locked up his truck and left. The police didn't even try to stop him, but they towed his vehicle because it had been abandoned. Needless to say, he was pretty nervous about the whole thing. The next day they called him on his cellphone and told him to come and pick up his truck. "But we're keeping the contents" was all that was said about it.

If you know your rights, they can't trample on them as easily. But they will always try if you let them.

[Lungus]

TUG told a story of having his bi-yearly house inspection being called early with 24 hrs notice. So he put all his plants into large moving boxes, dismantled the grow, rented a U-haul and put the boxes inside it then drove it elsewhere until the inspection was finished. The next day he put it all back together and was back in action again. I thought that was about the slickest thing I'd ever heard.

[Green Supreme]

I have done the pack in the van and hide before when the house I was living in was being appraised. This time though I had no vehicle, cash or credit card. Makes hiding stuff tough without involving friends. So like I say wouldn't do anything differently. Peace GS

[Loki]

Well, one thing you can keep in mind for these types of inspections is this: like I said, they're not there to do a search, their only legitimate reason for being there is to evaluate you electrical system. You don't even have to take your stuff out of the house if your set-up isn't tooo odourific at the time. Just put everything into a bunch of moving boxes and stack it in the basement or garage or attic or something. They have no reason or business to look in them. If the smell isn't enough to arouse suspicion, you'll be good to go. Maybe even a spare room with a good vent built into it.

[Green Supreme]

Dude I had 18 6-7 footers in flower. 10 6-7 footers in veg and a lot of ones all sizes down. Think the problem here is that no one really knows what I was up to, so speculation is easy. Peace GS

[Loki]

My advice is for everyone, and most people don't grow that big. As to your six footers, I'm sure they'd survive being doubled over for a few hours, or even being decapitated. That would certainly set you back some, but not nearly as much what you're at now.

[Loki]

When I was inspected, I had about 40 ballasts and lamps stacked in my garage, I through a tarp over them and some fg insulation on top. Nobody touched it.

[Green Supreme]

Dude your attitude was your set back. Sorry you feel I am taking a loss, but its ok I will show you how I 'm ahead in time. Thanks for the advice, that is what this thread is about. Peace GS

[Loki]

I didn't have a setback, Other than having to shell out a whole bunch of cash for a new Hydro service.

[perry_h]

Very informative thread, thanks for sharing gs. Impressed by your attitude in the whole situation, setting a good example for those that are reading.

I'm not aware of the legislation mentioned in here, can someone give me a link or the basic rundown on it? tia

[Green Supreme]

This thread was about that. Peace GS

https://www.cannabis-world.org/cw/showthread.php?t=2099&highlight=BC+Hydro

[Loki]

Here's a story in the Province I posted about the Supreme Court ruling :

https://www.cannabis-world.org/cw/showthread.php?t=4979

[Loki]

There's actually another very good reason to clean up before the inspection. If the inspection team finds a grow-op, the landlord is required to spend a shitload of cash for mould inspections and the like. In Langley the bill is (if I recalll correctly) $3500.00 plus any clean-up costs if they decide there's any problems. The house can't be inhabited until the municipality deems it safe, whether the electrical problems or mould or plumbing problems were grow-op related or not. It can end up costing many thousands of dollars.

[perry_h]

The article in the other thread linked (thanks gs) mentions they often find that the grow is no longer there, does that mean the homeowner can continue his garden after the visit or do they stay on a watch list? Personally I wouldn't risk it, just curious.

edit: oops the article I mentioned was actually from loki's link - thanks to both of you

[Green Supreme]

Which kinda cracks me up. Those communities think they are removing the big scary grows, but the organized fellas love it as it gives them time to pack and leave. They are moving to those communities specifically. Peace GS

[Loki]

It's really pretty pointless. They don't have the resources to watch everybody they've ever suspected. The point is to scare you into shutting down. I know some guys move on, but some just fire it right back up again. All they can do is re-inspect you, with another notice period. But if you've convinced them your power usage was legit, why would they bother you again?

[Green Supreme]

And yet the organized fellows move on to hmmm.Peace GS

[crazy cooter]

GS, sorry to hear about all of this. Your attitude seems to be carrying you well, though.

The Canadian law I don't know much about... it sounds like they just come by, take all your shit and force you to start over? No charges against you (or anyone in your situation)? Fines?

EDIT- nevermind. Just finished reading the thread at ICMag and see the info that I was missing here at C-W. Very kind and classy reply in that thread from Chimera. Kudos to you, too, for keeping your composure with the ICMag trolls. Peace-

[Loki]

The "organized fellows"? I'd say the bigger guys with more resources, and more risk, are more likely to move on. Small timers like me don't have much to fear, or reason to move on.

[Loki]

I just read that thread at ICMag too. Although I agree with that "organizedcrime" fellow (obviously, I posted more or less the same advice), I don't understand his animosity. If you don't know your rights, you can't act to protect them. Seems to be a lot of folks on that board from more Draconian jurisdictions that that either don't believe you, or are jealously bitter about our local legal scene. Good luck GS.

[spaceman]

I just read that thread at ICMag too. Although I agree with that "organizedcrime" fellow (obviously, I posted more or less the same advice), I don't understand his animosity. If you don't know your rights, you can't act to protect them. Seems to be a lot of folks on that board from more Draconian jurisdictions that that either don't believe you, or are jealously bitter about our local legal scene. Good luck GS.

Thats all good and shit but every situation is different, and they will squeeze,when i was busted, i asked for a warrant etc, they didnt have one, i had 2 five year old sitting on the deck like usual we all are a little community.,., anyways as soon as they threatened the kids, no plant is worth putting a kid through that shit, i gave in right away.so if folks you love are in the line of fire, it changes things and the scum cops will lick that shit up all day.,.,

Bigups for you GS most folks only think of themselves!!

[Loki]

You mean cops just came up and threatened your kids? I would have filed harrassment charges against them.

I'm simply trying to explain the law, and your rights under it. You can only defend yourself against illegal search and siezure if you know your rights. If you aren't comfortable standing up for them, that's unfortunate. I don't understand how anybody else was at risk in any way, but I wasn't there, and it's up to each of us to make our own calls.

[Green Supreme]

I wish I had all this litigation money hanging around like some of you. I would certainly seek legal action if I was rich. I mean hydro is a monopoly and it turns its customers in ,even though they are forced to use power from only one source. Lotsa coulda woulda shouldas. Now hearing all you have had to say Loki it would have been interesting to be a fly on the wall when you had your issues. I am sure from the sound of things we all coulda learned a thing or 2. Again I thank for your contribution to this thread. Peace GS

[Loki]

My issues were a lot different than yours, but I had to deal with the same shit as you afterwards. I was broke as broke could be. I had no power for a month, I borrowed a generator to keep my family from leaving me, and I borrowed a shitload of cash to get my power hooked back up. I had to finish my crop by moving it in and out of the garage every 12 hours.

I've lived here for 13 years. I just set up here about 3 years ago, and as I was setting up, I discovered a hydro tap from the previous occupants. I decided to take advantage of it to avoid the high power bills that draw the EFSI Team, until I got my MMAR licence. Once I got my licence, I hadn't gotten round to undoing the tap when my neighbour blew up the transformer, kicking off an investigation that culminated in 40 or 50 cops showing up with their guns drawn (they almost shot my dog, as I was walking him in the back-40 when they showed up - he wasn't leashed).

They cuffed me, sat me in the dining room while they searched the house, and charged me with theft of hydro. They left my plants, as I had a licence for them. Eventually they finished, took me into the station and booked me, then let me go. Three days later, the cop phoned me and said they were dropping the charges, provided I paid my hydro bill.

After shelling out about $8,000.00 to Hydro and electricians, I finally got my power restored. At that point, the Township decided they were going to send in an EFSI team. I said no, you aren't. We argued about it by fax and phone for about a month, and I finally let them come in and have a peak in my garage only. They waived all the fees and crap, no cops showed up, and cited me for an un-permitted wall in the garage for which I had to pay a hundred bucks to get a permit.

I became familiar with the EFSI laws through this, as well as having numerous friends and associates in the biz having gone through the process.

You don't need money for lawyers if you already know what your rights are, and stand up for them. Like I said, I wasn't there at your incident, so I have no idea what other circumstances might have been in play, but I am certain that had you not answered the door, or denied them entry without proper notice, and refused entry to the police without a warrant, you would have had time to avoid any of the hassle you had to go through, and saved your landlord mucho dineros and headaches.

I'm not interested in starting an argument. If you disagree with this information, that's your prerogative. I'm just trying to help.

[Green Supreme]

Again I say thanks for your contribution. You have presented another scenario. The more we have the more prepared we can be. Peace GS

[spaceman]

You mean cops just came up and threatened your kids? I would have filed harrassment charges against them.

I'm simply trying to explain the law, and your rights under it. You can only defend yourself against illegal search and siezure if you know your rights. If you aren't comfortable standing up for them, that's unfortunate. I don't understand how anybody else was at risk in any way, but I wasn't there, and it's up to each of us to make our own calls.

yes!
One day i was walking through the trail between my neighbors house..,. as i was getting there i noticed police lights in a truck parked in his yard, i hide in the bushes, they had my friend in the back of the truck and they were threatening to shot his dog in front of his 5 years old,{ he wouldnt leash him, he was playing the no warrant card i am not ans your questions.,.,}
At this point i am sitting in the bushes wishing i had a camcorder.,., so they go to grab the shot gun out of the truck and at that point my buddy breaks and say go ahead look a t my huge 1 light grow with 20 plants.,., so fucking lame.,., after they left i hoped out of the woods and scared the shit out of him.,., i was like dude that was crazey,.,,/,.
out here it seems they are more like cowboys.,., thanks for your experiences they all matter.,., we can do! arm ourselves with knowledge! thats why this place is so important.,., peace yall
Ps: i wouldnt wish any of this shit on anyone ,what a blight on humanity.,.,

[Loki]

I guess cops in the sticks aren't afraid of cellphone cameras yet.

When my dog Kane spotted a dozen or so cops in my back yard, trucks, cars, he naturally freaked out. Three cops with their guns pointed at him are screaming "call off your fucking dog!". I'm hobbling up as fast as I can yelling at him to stay, and he finally did. I say "he's not an agressive dog", they say "yeah, we've heard that before". I thought for sure they were going to kill him.

[Green Supreme]

OK so not much to tell yet. Still awaiting funds. Have had to resort to leaf the last couple weeks, except Friday puffs with Marihuanaman and Sundays. Realized I could be puffing my own leaf{Had a a bag in storage} gets me much higher. No internet where I am. All safe, so all good. Peace GS

[Sicarii]

Thanks for keeping us updated. I'm sending you positive vibes, and I can't wait to see you up and growing again
peace sicarii

[Green Supreme]

Well more craziness, my dogs pregnant. It's gonna cost $400 to fix it. Got a crazy offer on a big job. I don't feel like I have been a criminal all this time for what I have done, but I may for that job. Have also been offered another job for 2 months by a friend that needs to go away for work and needs a house sitter. I am seriously considering this one. Thanks for looking in on me. Peace GS

[outdoordreams]

:spitcoffee:
I dont know why I think that is so funny.
Honeybear been dippin in the Honey jar ehh. Biggups Honeybear!
Every wonderful dog should have one litter.

GS, after my last SHUT DOWN, the job offers started coming in.
I turned them all down, because none of them fit with me.
I pray you find your fit bro!
Peace and Love outdoordreams

[guest]

Don t compromise your own principles that make you who you are.
One

[Lundin]

honeybear!!

thanks for the updates

what a ride you been having lately. And now puppies on top!
:hug:

[c-ray]

omg are you serious (about honeybear)
do you know who the father is?

good luck with the rest, follow your gut...

[Green Supreme]

Ya its one or both of the dogs where I am staying. Thanks all for your kind words. Slow and steady wins the race. Peace GS

[Lungus]

Good that things are coming around GS and Honeybear well that's pretty funny, not for you but still. Hope she is alright.

[Bram]

Glad to hear things are working along for you dude. I guess we will have to call the pups HoneyCubs?

[Green Supreme]

Honeybears surgery is over. She was not pregnant, but they claim that she had cysts on her ovaries that made the surgery necessary. I just picked her up and she is very groggy. She complains a lot and I know she never complains unless it hurts a lot. Thanks for looking. Peace GS

[Lungus]

Get well soon Honeybear. Foster sends wags and licks.

[outdoordreams]

Sending loving and healing thoughts to HoneyBear.:heart:

[c-ray]

wow, lotsa love to honeybear..get well soon girl

[smokin izzy]

WOW. you have had a stressful couple of months g s, im glad to see you are holding up well. sorry to hear about your dog, hope she gets better soon.

[Lundin]

:heart:

[spaceman]

Honeybears surgery is over. She was not pregnant, but they claim that she had cysts on her ovaries that made the surgery necessary. I just picked her up and she is very groggy. She complains a lot and I know she never complains unless it hurts a lot. Thanks for looking. Peace GS



glad to hear she is on the mend eh !!

[Kali]

wags, drools, licks and slobbers from kali and moose.

[Green Supreme]

Thanks again fellas. So its update time again. I have moved from outta town back to the city. Thanks to the country host and the new city one. Sounds like money will come together in June and I have secured room and board till then. My new to be business landlord will be in same time to make my lease agreement for what is looking like a legal med grow. Honeybear seems to have healed well and is in good spirits as long as she is with me. Slowly its all coming together. Thanks for looking in on me . Peace GS

[outdoordreams]

Green Supreme growing Medical herb, legally!!!! That will be a great day!
Praying for you brother.
Peace and love outdoordreams
:clap:

[spaceman]

things change, sounds like some good change, much respect!

[c-ray]

soon come!

[Lungus]

Good news for sure! Back in the game again, legally too, good one. Praises for Honeybear's good recovery.

[Lundin]

:clap:that was great news

[Springs]

Great news GS! Can't wait:sun:

[Green Supreme]

Thanks all for the kind words. Peace GS

[Bram]

Great to hear man, finally some people will be able to get some real meds!!!

[guest]

thumbs up!

[Kali]

GS thats awesome news man. Good growing in your new digs!

[The Cannarchist]

You must all remember

No warrant , no entrance

fear is the mind killer

(4 busts)

[GoKart Motzart]

Awesome developments! Can't wait to continue enjoying your awe inspiring mouth watering plants from afar! We're not :worthy:

[Green Supreme]

So the process of recovering my veg strains back is underway. It will take some time to put it all back together but it has begun. My buddy YBG sent me back the Sweet Blues along with his Mikado for the nice man that will hold the cuts local for me till I am back running. The dude has found quite a cool method for cuts. The company is called Hydrogarden. If yous need more info I can provide. Let the games begin. Peace GS

[spaceman]

looks cool!! sweet blue oo baby!!

[Green Supreme]

More info. Peace GS

http://www.hydrogarden.com/index2.html

[Green Supreme]

Another step forward yesterday as some kind folks allowed me into their med garden to do some leafing on flowering plants. What a joy and thanks again to the kind. Slow and steady wins the race folks. Peace GS

[c-ray]

what's leafing? I assume you mean taking cuts...

[spaceman]

I know when i had no plants to look after everyday it was real nice to get to help friends work with there plants.I assume that connection is strong in you as well. soon come!

[c-ray]

ahh leafing I get it ...duh

[Bodah]

Not to the left, not to the right, but right back in the groove~

[outdoordreams]

I feel you Green Supreme. The joy of visiting healthy plants and spending time with them is priceless. I got to play with some Blockhead plants this past week!!!!!

[Green Supreme]

So I have swindled myself into getting to play with plantys up to 3 times a week. Give yous a taste of what I have been working on. First up is Doc's Thai Lights at 66 days. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Next is Gingas Angola/Banghi x Haze, then 2 Atomic Hazes also at 66 days. Peace GS

ps. I always mess that up, it might be Haze x Angola/Banghi

[guest]

She is a perty lady!
Purple suits her well!
I have heard great things of her...(mostly from you i think....)
One and Peace

[Green Supreme]

Next I leafed 3 Sweet Skunks at day 75. Peace GS

[disciple]

:)

[Green Supreme]

Next I leafed the Atomic Hazes at day 75, then a Mango Haze. Last is the Purple pheno of the Jamaican Pineapple Skunk just before it gets chopped. Peace GS

ps. that's it for now

[spaceman]

wow thanks for the peak that atomic haze looks like it is packing the crystalies !

[Green Supreme]

Meanwhile back at work, teehee. First 2 are the Atomic Hazes right before chop. First one is very "hazey" the other smells like dmt. Next is the White Widow at day 17 then Mission Cherry at day 17. Lats 2 are Sweet Skunk tops at day 80. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Next is the room I have dubbed the Hall of Champions. It is made up of 19 Sweet Skunks all in 20 gallon pots{Perhaps even a little larger}. The last shot gives a nice idea of just 1 Sweet Skunk. This room will rock peoples worlds in 6 weeks. Peace GS

[Chronisch]

Delicious looking plants and the room looks so clean.

[guest]

SO guys, how is that federation chemo?
Can you give a little description of it's traits...
I am very curious about it. Is this what you guys call the UBC chemo from way back then?
peace.

[Green Supreme]

Know little,will tell more as they are only at 17 days. It was a knock to make beans so who knows what the male added to the cross. Peace GS

[Lundin]

!!!

[guest]

Thanks gs.
one

[Green Supreme]

Wooooooo, Peace GS

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100520/bc_court_warrant_grow_op_100520/20100520?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

[Parabola]

Garis said as of January, 1,140 homes had been examined for high rates of electricity use. In only four of those incidents, he said, had residents refused to allow inspectors inside.

Wow! That is like 0.0035%.

[outdoordreams]

Very good news.

:sleep: People will sleep better tonight!

[The Cannarchist]

"Though he cautioned the final decision would have been up to a justice of the peace, Garis said a search warrant for Arkinstall and Green's home likely could have been obtained if officials had applied for one. "

No it would not. I know some JP's and they say that to get a warrant needs 3 sets of corroborated evidence. The old bill know this

[Green Supreme]

We been having tea parties at work with friends to try the fresh herbs. First is Atomic Haze 3 then Atomic Haze2{dmt scented}, then Thai Lights and last is Sweet Skunk , last is a combo of the Hazes and Pineapple Skunk. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

The Hall of Champions at week 4. Peace GS

[Parabola]

woot!

[Green Supreme]

Ok so an update on the returnees to date. First pic is Sister M on the left, Sweet Skunk on the right and a slow Sweet Blue{Sweet Skunkier} in the smaller pot. Second pic is Mental Floss on the left, Sweet Blue{Berrier} in the middle and Sweet Blue{Sweet Skunkier} on the right. Peace GS

[spaceman]

thats pretty awesome!!

[Bram]

sweet, glad to see things are going well for you dude.

[Green Supreme]

At the med garden today. First 2 are Mango Haze, then the Hall of Misfits are the next 2. Followed by Atomics Haze 2 aka the Teacher{dmt smelling one}.

[Green Supreme]

Next 4 pics are of 2 phenos of Sweet Blue f2's in the Hall of Misfits. Peace GS

Sweet Blues are at day 29

[Green Supreme]

Sweet Skunks come down tomorrow. They are at day 93 here. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

First 2 are Mission Cherries at 30 days. Then the teacher{Atomic Haze2} last is 12 week Sweet Skunk. Peace GS

[spaceman]

the atomic hazes are much nicer when they are big plants! nice job!

[Green Supreme]

Waiting on number 6 for some reason that one tickled my fancy. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Some more Atomic Haze 2. Took down the Sweet Skunks today at day 95. They smelled of lime Lifesavers. Can't wait to try them. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Ok something of interest. The government has struck down the bylaws allowing safety searches as an invasion of privacy. In a classy move the mayor of Surrey has vowed not to be deterred and to find a way around the judgment. Are these not the actions of a criminal. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Workin today so some updates. First is 4 day chopped 95 day flowered Sweet Skunk Check check 1. Then the Hall of Champions at day 35. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

95 day Sweet Skunk, then my new friend Haze x Angola/Banghi aka The Empress. Next is some Thai Lights. Then more of the Empress. Peace GS

[Rainha Ginga]

yohoo GS with Hanba :bump:

[Green Supreme]

Nice smoke Ginga.

Back to work today. First pic is Haze x Angola/Banghi we puffed or as Ginga calls it Hanba. Next is Mission Cherry at 43 days. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Next is 95 day Sweet Skunk we puffed, followed by the Hall of Champions another week along. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Puffables are Sweet Skunk, Atomic Haze 2 {the teacher} and Thai Lights. Buddy put all the plantys in the Hall of Champions onto 10 gallon pots. It gets thew bottoms closer to the lights and allows better air flow below the plant level. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

First, some nugs we puffed. Atomic Haze 2 and Special K. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Next ones are this weeks update on the hall of fame. I will be staking the shit outta this garden this week. It should look very nice by next time. I am very happy with the way things are progressing here. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Back at work today. The puffins are Mango Haze and Thai Lights. Today's planty is Chimeras Mental Floss at 25 days in. We'll see how she grows. Peace GS

[spaceman]

looks good! i always love looking at the girls after a good staking season!

[Green Supreme]

Back at work, today we have the local White Widow med cut. Its at 56 days. Peace GS

ps. the first pic is said to look like Oscar the Grouch Top right is head, arms sticking out and coming out of a garbage can

[Green Supreme]

Couple of Rene's. First 2 are of the one coming down this Thursday, last pic is one at day 29. Peace GS

[outdoordreams]

Truly inspirational. Rene......mmmmmmm.

[Bodah]

Great shots GS, is that "chimeras pick" mental floss? I have heard good things about that one~

BoD~

[Green Supreme]

Yes Bodah it is Chimeras pick. Think it can still be had from Doctorclone. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Hall of Champions update, Sorry she is a couple days late, I filled my cam before lights came on Monday. Peace GS

[outdoordreams]

So what is the 95 day Sweetskunk like?
GS, did I ever sample any of your Sweetskunk that was beyond 11weeks????

GreenSupreme, thank you so much for sharing those pictures.
It is really nice to be able to show people what is possible indoors.
Respect!

[spaceman]

oscar the grouch lol looks great guys!

[c-ray]

8372 paper joint

[Green Supreme]

The taste is not so lemony and the smoke hard to keep in. The buzz is disorienting and long lasting. I haven't taken a Sweet Skunk in less than 12 weeks in 10 years. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

This weeks Hall of Champions update. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Ok so it has been a bit since I have posted, but not really to much to tell till now. I have my first caregiver application going in and another supposed to be signed yesterday. Things are falling into place. Some strains have trickled back in. Today for instance I received the Mental Floss, respects to da man. Slow and steady wins the race. Peace GS

[GoKart Motzart]

Sweet! Exciting times! Keep us posted so we can all party down when your locked and loaded!:pimp:

[spaceman]

congrats!

[Green Supreme]

Ok just a heads up for folks. The house that has been giving me a roof is a legal med garden. Well last night we were home invaded. Buddy got pepper sprayed in the face. The losers got squat, but what really surprised me was the cops reaction to a legal med garden. They are the ones in a position of power and sooooooo uneducated. There were 5 cops in total 2 were female and the chicks new squat. They told me that no one was allowed to live in a legal grow. The whole time they were accusing us of wrong doing. Buddy offered to let them look at the grow. The 2 female went with me down stairs. I literally had to laugh at the first one when she said I hope we don't get blown up walking through here. Before even entering the grow rooms the other lady says something is fishy here, seems criminal. Again I laughed and said you go look in the flower room and tell me any cash grower would have so few plants in flower . They were surprised at first glance. Why does he even need to grow his own she asks. Well he doesn't buy at a dispensary as it is costly. She said seems like a better idea , no?. Well buddy has a 5 gram a day license. Over 30 days it is about 150 grams that's about a 1000 dollars a month in medicine. Pretty pricey, no. Of course no answer, just a shut up you are not under arrest and your opinion means nothing to me. Next comes the shift Chief, funny enough he was the guy in charge at my first bust. He didn't recognize me. He laughed at the girls when he saw the grow. So just a heads up. Just because it is a legal med grow, does not man the cops approve. They are still very uneducated. When they left buddy asked if they could drive by a few times during the night to make sure they on't come back. Both chicks said no chance. To serve a beating and protect their own. Nice. Peace GS

[spaceman]

wow glad you are ok .,.,
dumb cops man o man.,., they realy are that dumb.,.,
pepper spray sucks in the face.., hope you guys are ok/./.

[Springs]

woah! hope your buddy is doing ok,
glad they didnt get anything, fuckin bastards.
dont let it get ya guys down!

[Lungus]

Glad everyone is OK even though getting pepper sprayed must suck intensely. Ya the ignorance in law enforcement about any aspect of cannabis is stunning.

[Fungus Nat]

yep, have witnessed this ignorant circus a few times lately...
It is a shame indeed.
Happy they didn t pull a Deliverance on you guys....
ta na now now now now now now....:guitar:

one

[outdoordreams]

Green Supreme could right a book with his personal 1 on 1 with the cops and grows.

Blessing to you. Keep strong.

Peace and smiles odd

[Green Supreme]

Aight folks, so back to it. I will be taking a break from here to get things under way. Thanks for all the support and kind words. Keep growing. Peace GS

[spaceman]

!!!!

[Green Supreme]

I smoked these today with a lawyer friend, before he sent out my Health Canada paper work. They are lower mainland Green Crack and lower mainland Trainwreck. Peace GS

[GoKart Motzart]

sounds like the kind of lawyer to have :pimp: now its countdown to party time!

[Flyer]

Looks good!
They changed the name of green crack to green chronic down in Cali, bad stigma with the world crack. lolz

[Green Supreme]

Well 1 year today since this started and we are well on our way back. Peace GS

[spaceman]

looking forward!

[c-ray]

time to practice waving the rasta flag

[Mr T]

Congratulations!
Slow and steady wins the race

[Green Supreme]

Thanks fellas. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

One more thing to point out. All utility accounts should be closed in the first weeks of things. I forgot to close the gas account and ended up owing quite a bit. Penance I suppose. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Seems I am too do this on my own. Might take longer to get started, but no one to change my plans. Everything happens for a reason. On a happier note, no partner means I can go back to posting stuff here on the net. Peace GS

[c-ray]

ba-bam

[Rainha Ginga]

:respect:

[spaceman]

thanks for sharing.,.,

[Springs]

you'll get'er done proper forsure, positively!

[Kali]

Always probs somewhere down the line with a partner.

Besides the extra work :dig: its jsut sooo much easier going it solo.

[GoKart Motzart]

My father tells me his father used to tell him "a partnership is the hardest ship to sail.. "

[Green Supreme]

Thanks all for your kind words. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

One year today since this kind fellow took me in. Thanks and praises to all who have helped me reach this point. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Some Sweet Skunk {Without and with the flash}I puffed today with Marihuanaman in celebration of the arrival of my Health Canada Designated Grower paperwork. Its on. Peace GS

[c-ray]

ahhhh yeah babeee!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-hCpJ2e30k

[Green Supreme]

Thanks and praises brethren. Peace GS

[spaceman]

sweet!

[Green Supreme]

:smoke2: Peace GS

[GoKart Motzart]

:good: Awesome News! Let the Good Times Roll!

[Rainha Ginga]

excellent news.
congrats man!!!!

[Green Supreme]

Thanks folks. Looks like my money issues will soon be figured too. Peace GS

[c-ray]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOhL5m3q078

[Mr T]

Congratulations Bro

[Green Supreme]

Thanks too all that have supported me and helped me get to this point. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Another celebratory joint with Mr.Marihuanaman, as another piece of the puzzle falls into place. This one is Congolese. Peace GS

[outdoordreams]

Great news Green Supreme.
Time to bring out the Flo "13" when I get back to the country!
Peace and big smiles outdoordreams

[Green Supreme]

First frivolous thing I have bought since this all happened. It is available at www.freshheadies.com for $36.95 retail. Peace GS

ps. it is rumored some of the macros photo's are from my plants and it looks like the nug in the Bubblebox is Congo from me

[Green Supreme]

New beginnings. Peace GS

[spaceman]

looking forward.....!

[Green Supreme]

Aight its on. Thanks again to all that helped. GS takes a low profile :ninja: .Peace GS

[spaceman]

bammmm!

[Green Supreme]

Celebration joints with Marihuanaman. First is OG Kush then Timewarp. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

So I got the cop knock at the med grow today. All is well and I will expound at length later. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Got to the grow this afternoon to find my partner working away. I went to the veg room to see if I had any thirsty girls that needed immediate attention. While I am touring about my partner comes in to tell me the cops and an inspector are at the door. He answered, told them to wait and came and got me. I opened the door and invited them in. It seems they knew we were building and wanted to "Check our permits". I offered to show them to the grow, but the inspector asked to be taken too the panel. I took him there. He looks at me all puzzled "There's nothing going on here." I told him we were just getting started. He asked how many lights I had and I told him 3.


He asked to see the veg room. I took him there. He looked in "There's only 3 lights". I said that's what I told you. He looks, "They are all plugged into the wall. I said ya and he replied "Ok I am done here. It's hot in here, alright if I leave?". He looks at the cops. They tell him ok. He tells me not to forget to apply for electrical permits. I told him no problem I want to do it right and off he goes.

This leaves the 4 cops. One of the lady cops was kinda grumpy. She looks in veg and asks, "How many do you have in there?" I said about twice as many as the permit says. She argued she could have me hack down 1/2. I told her the license says in production. I also let her know that the vegging plants were not medicine till they were flowered and therefore were not production. She denied the word production was present. She said she had spoken with HC and they told her it was up to the discetion of the cops, as to if the numbers were culled or not. I said the fact that the grey area existed showed it would not be prudent to cut them down. I told them in any other farm situation the farmers plant 10 times more than they need, to pick the choice plants to harvest. I was only doing twice the necessary amount. Not all cannabis plants are good enough to be medicine. Only the choicest would be used. They re iterated their position and told me they would be back to make sure I was compliant. I told them I would speak with a lawyer first and see what he thought before removing anything, then escorted them to the door.

All in all they were quite tolerant. I gave them my cell number so no more cop knock. We will be setting up appointments from now on.

On another funnier note one of them asked me if I had had another grow in Vancouver. I said not that I was aware of. One of them mentioned the last house I was in. Another says oh ya you were the guy with all the different strains and then they were all like oh ya that was you. Oh that house I smiled and winked.

All is well and safe. Slowly we move onward. Peace GS

ps. I will be hearing back from one of the lady cops next month. I will let her know that the grumpy lady was wrong and in fact the word production is used in the same paragraph as the plant count at least twice

[spaceman]

o yes production is there like 3 times in one sentence. must feel good to have them leave with no plants being chopped down this time! you found a way to beat them.Funny thing is these cops are walking around with the power to ruin folks lives and they dont even know the rules, free the weed!

[disciple]

:)

[c-ray]

did you recognize any of those guys from last time?

[Green Supreme]

Yes I recognized them all, but wasn't willing to up and remind them. LOL. Peace GS

[c-ray]

he he

[c-ray]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-hCpJ2e30k

[Green Supreme]

Thems my sig. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Here is the lawyers reply:

You have some 5-0 mojo brother. Lots of guys get arrested in that situation. Almost all get hacked down to the number. I can tell you HC doesn't agree with your view of what production means and will tell the cops that if asked. So they could probably easily get a warrant and come back to bust you if they want to. So be aware. My advice (which is conservative as it should and must be in this circumstance) is to be at numbers at all times including cuts, veg and flower. Or to be ready to fight.

As you say, onward.

Peace GS

[outdoordreams]

:grouphug:
Respect!

[spaceman]

should be some thought put to a veg allowance for these permits, production certainly implies something we all understand but are not spelling out.hmmm

[Green Supreme]

Ya I am finding they love to create that grey area. It keeps us and the cops going against each other. I do feel for the cops in all this. They are left too try figure out what we and HC are talking about.

My buddy called HC about the cards and he was blatantly lied too by a lady. She told him that HC was not giving them out anymore. This after we just had a few friends receive them. He asked to speak to someone in distribution who basically told him that he needed to apply for an amendment to his license, if he wanted a card before re application was processed. They are willing to flat out lie to cover their asses. Now to make themselves look better, they are sending cards with new licenses, instead of processing the backlog of existing licensees. Lameness extraordinaire. Peace GS

[memyselfandi]

best of luck with those guys gs.

damn gray areas.

in Portugal if you get bust everything is weighted if you aren't careful,i know busts that they weighted the vases with earth and everything, like a guy with a tent busted for 10 kilos. usually everything goes ok in court and you only have to attend a non drugs course.

Everything because here is like in Holland, cannabis fall from the sky, you can have up to 25g but you can't plant or sell :) and there is no specification on the parts of the plant or if it's dry or "green".

[Green Supreme]

Well as per the lawyer I have decided to trim back. A funny coincidence has made this easy for me. First I had a tray of cuts, maybe 15 left that were counted. I already had one of each strain planted, so I tossed the tray. Next was the funny coincidence. I had been giving about 20 Congo's priority in the room. Buddy messaged me and told me he had mixed the Congo and Seedman's Haze, so from 9 weeks flower too 12. Even funnier was the fact the veg room was just at the point where I was gonna need another room. Culling 20 Seedman's Hazes was perfect. I can manage for a little longer till I need to expand.

35 plants less should be less hassles. They did say they were coming back. Peace GS

[c-ray]

better safe than sorry

[Mr T]

I agree with C-ray, better safe than sorry.

Do you think HC is giving the cops the address for inspection or it's one of the neighbours who calls them?

[c-ray]

probably a neighbor

[Green Supreme]

Be pretty hard for a neighbor at this point. We are only just getting started building and the only noises are saws and screw guns. That seems hardly a reason to call the cops too me. They said they were there to check for permits and check the power panel. I am sure they never would have chosen to jump the gun, but at the same time without a look, how do they know how far along folks are? No worries regardless. We have done what we were asked. Peace GS

ps. they asked for me when my partner answered the door, so they had some info before arriving

[disciple]

:)

[Green Supreme]

I have chosen not to use residential space. Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

Passed the electrical inspection. Peace GS

[spaceman]

onward!

[Green Supreme]

Be 2 years since the raid in a little over a week. Thought I deserved a treat, so this came out of storage today. Peace GS

[Springs]

thar be a treasure box if Ive ever seen one!