growin up

[Elohim is plural]

...if ddoc is too busy to moderate this, i nominate plantbuilder...
EIP

[Elohim is plural]

...oh wait...c-ray is doin it...hope i didn't scuff your shoes, man...
EIP

[The Cannarchist]

I have no doubt that PB will be all over it like a rash at any rate.

God I just realised that the three of us were at the birth of the original idea and products.........Now there are copycat Coliseums all over Europe......

Time to resurrect "The Juicy"........It got folded out,but I think I can fold it back in with something I have aquired recently....

Sniff,The good old days @ WTI.......

[Elohim is plural]

...ah, the old dub T...goodtimes...

...i still have one column from the very first cage mold in action...actually that particular column has never grown marijuana...i wonder how many people can say they've been growing in a cage column consistantly for over 5 years with no mary jane?..
EIP

[nuggdigger]

:fly: great to see a the 'new home.' Lookin forward to vertical soaring :bong2:

[Tug]

R U guys talking the old WTI store in Vancouver? You guys invented the Coliseum?

peace - tug

[The Cannarchist]

Ddoc did,but we were there for it's testing and getting the idea out first of all.

Same place that the "Vision Thai" was created....those boys sure had a great time in those days.......I'd deliver new strains for them to test every morning for coffee,the cops would be 4 shops over at the Donut shop and we'd be puffing madly out the back.......I got the name "The milkman" after that...

Plus thats the same place Breeder steve used to work at in the old days before he became famous......He was knocking clones out the back door like you would not belive..LMAO!

There are some of the oldest of the old Skool Van city boys here.....the knowledge is HUGE!

[Joe King Park]

Highlife 2006 product of the year goes to www.pi-technics.nl


this is taking vertical growing to a new level

Happy Growing, droolage
JKP

[hydrorascal]

THAT is a growing machine !!! 3 600w. Couldnt find a capacity listed but it looks like about a 300 plant unit.....

Very solid design, electric design shows true quality.

They must be 'running to waste' to be able to claim no risk of cross contamination.

All the techie stuff is only in Dutch.... hmmm I wonder if Babel will translate the whole doc ????

[Tug]

My buddy uses a home-made system similar (square) that was developed by a local (I'm in BC), a frenchman on the Island I believe, he uses 50 plants per wall, 2 x 1000 vertically, and consistantly yields 2Lbs/Kw with avg yielding strains. I've seen close to 2.5 with the big yielders.
Very efficient, 1 bale of soil for 6 Kw, and a 10 minute watering routine (yes, 2Lbs/Kw with soil-less).
Just by numbers, at 100 plants per bulb, you only need 9 grams per plant to get 2Lbs/Kw.

That system you showed looks like the 'polished final version', and I think would yield even better, especially if you go hydro instead of soil-less.

peace - tug

[c-ray]

Highlife 2006 product of the year goes to www.pi-technics.nl


this is taking vertical growing to a new level

Happy Growing, droolage
JKP


what's the difference between that and the coliseum, besides slicker advertising and a highlife product of the year award?

[plantbuilder]

the difference is the coliseum is a wonderful piece of molded plastic and the other thing is something you should definitely just build yourself.

kill your reflectors.

peace.
plantbuilder

[Lugen007]

Nice a vertical limits forum again!!

Hey everyone!! Good to see everyone around again, hopefully ddoc will come back every once in a while and make some posts!!

[Indica Sativa]

I can't wait till I have the money for a coli >.< Are there any other places in the U.S. that carry the Coli, besides bghydro? Im thinking of trying out 3, 750w digital lamps in mine when I finally get one... sound good?

[Joe King Park]

C-ray ; removeable buckets/ interchangeable
rapid teardown time if grow op compromised
better construction techniques , making spare parts easy to obtain

those are my likes

But the Highlife Cup is pretty big event and it beat the "grow and go "shipping container which cranks out an average of 3Kg's per month

i don't know, what makes this so special? www.grow-go.nl
Joe
attention to detail , i think

[Tug]

Wow. I'm in love.............

peace - tug

[Elohim is plural]

...the coli needs virtually no spare parts...lovely design...
EIP

[c-ray]

how long does it take to break down a coli.. if compromised?

[Lugen007]

Basically you just need to unstack the Coli.

Theres a second hand Coli for sale around me, if anyones interested in some details...I think it was a 300 site with reservoir

[The Cannarchist]

If you have your Coli on furniture dollies you just wheel it out ,intact, into the U-Haul rental van with one of those rear lift ramps.

One guy I know has 4 colis. Landlord comes in on monthly inspection,every month and he's never discovered the grow in over 2 yrs.......

[Green Supreme]

My friend calls it hiding the Jews from the Nazi's.Quite a feat

[Lugen007]

He's hiding 4 coli's every month?!?!?! I'd be fucken moving....

[The Cannarchist]

No Lugen,it's a perfect fit for the guy.Big double garage designed to be taken apart and hidden in just a couple of hours.The boys have it down pat on the move,they just drive the van around for an hour or so and re set the system.
Landlord thinks they are "good " tenants (expensive rental in posh neighbourhood) They pull down 10lbs a month.....

[Lugen007]

I was going to say 10lbs with 4 colis, then I re-read it....10lbs a month.

The coliseum will out produce any flat garden!!

[Dandy Don]

Just curious, I heard of the demise of WTI and Arista, so it's true, dDoc is out of business?

Hydrorascal;

Are you going to be contributing to this vertical forum, using your lower wattage v-scrog setups? Can't seem to get this strain to clone out right, my setup's ready to roll, as soon as I can get some cuttings to take.

DD

[hydrorascal]

I sure will be ... where its appropriate. The vs setup shown in the Scrog forum is no competition for a 1800++watt unit.

[plantbuilder]

don,
wti's remaining store closed at the end of march.
arista and wti manufacturing still exist and are open.

[Dandy Don]

plantbuilder;

While I'm sad to hear of the demise of the retail stores, I'm more glad to hear that Arista and dDoc's manufacturing facilities are still up and running. The work that dDoc has done, in promoting vertical growing, has to be really appreciated, especially when you consider that he did it all, on his own financial hook.

Good news indeed.............DD

[humble1]

so sad that the underutilized ddoc site is gone. i figured, once i saw a vertical system everyone would throw out their 4x4's and go vertical. this was about four years ago..... has anyone saved an archive somewhere?
---
real question: i just found a used cube system that's badly salted and may not have a reservoir. the guy wants $300 US.
i've done dwc and loooved it. i've done soil and become impatient with the sun. i've done coco in 4x4's and larger. is this my next step.... beyond?!?
i've always lusted after the coliseum, but never could bear to break off that much bread for a plastic molding.
for the same price as the used cube ($300) i could build my own setup (see my other thread in Vert Lim). I'm reading through the arista manual, but i appreciate all input (especially with cocreators in the house).

peace up^

[kisanth]

DDoc.net might have been out for a while put I was able to log on today....
I must admit I was ascared for a minute or two though.

[Elohim is plural]

...humble...

...is that $300 for 24-6site columns?..but no res, eh?..

...well with some inventive eye bolt placement(to hang colums) and a good sized kiddie-pool, you got yourself a "super-cage"...seems like $300 ain't bad...in my opinion...
EIP

[humble1]

EIP:
40 - 6 site columns, but i think i can only use 30 in a 5' kiddie pool....
i guess i'll learn how to go real short!
also i talked dude down under 200.(US)

any tips out there from experienced cube/cage owner operators?
i was thinking ddocs recommended 70/30 mix with chunky foxfarm perlite and coco coir.... only 3 gallons per column; 30 columns; 90 gallons total.
water once or twice daily.
i'd love to use an aircooled tube for 3 - 600s (or maybe 600hps-400mh-600-hps)

[plantbuilder]

:)
glad you did it, i would have too
i wouldn't worry about the a/c tube dealio
what are the advantages of chunky perlite?
and think 600-1k-600
peace.
pb

[Carpet Muncher]

what is the advantage to 1k-6-1k?

[Kurious]

If you have your Coli on furniture dollies you just wheel it out ,intact, into the U-Haul rental van with one of those rear lift ramps.

One guy I know has 4 colis. Landlord comes in on monthly inspection,every month and he's never discovered the grow in over 2 yrs.......

TCA, you have to be kidding me. What a great idea. Got any other tips on how they make things so mobile? You would have to move a ton of other stuff too. Carbon filter, fans etc. Plus clean up. Moving plant can drop leaves. Even morons can recognize a pot leaf. This would make a good thread by itself. How to make your grow mobile.

Edit: its canna anarchist not canna christ. just caught my mistake. learning disabilities.

Kurious

[Elohim is plural]

...ballasts mount nicely in an emptied 'snap-on' tool chest with wheels...with some modifications, just put all the wiring out the back...maybe add a vent fan...anyone who has spent some time around snap on knows not to fuck with someone else's tools...and they come with locks...
EIP

[humble1]

pb:
chunky perlite is a consistent grade (#5) of perlite: less dust, uniform size.

any thoughts on the mix? going to try coco rather than vermiculite... the dang manual says straight hydroton... but i don't really want that frequent of a watering schedule.

[plantbuilder]

humble your mix is fine... i like to add dolomite lime to mine and those pesky beneficials and worm castings too. hth
peace.
pb

[kisanth]

pb, you add lime to your coli? For pH control? Gotta love the bennies too. I've been using EA/EN.

h1 has it right, regular perlite is so much more dustier than chunky perlite.
My coli's full of regular perlite (as well as the worm castings from transplants) and I now only use chunky perlite for add backs.

k.

[plantbuilder]

i added some when filling my module and spooned some into each site
soiless mix always had it in it seems to help with ph, calcium and mg etc...
maybe used 1.5L dolomite for the whole 250L module
peace.
pb

[plantbuilder]

kisanth what are ya feeding them bugs?

[The Cannarchist]

VT s1 shot please PB.The mutant one....

[plantbuilder]

ok

[plantbuilder]

^that is the seed plant
this is her first born cutting.
you can't quite see the ribbon stem
there is also a branch on this one that shows similar growth to the top plant
peace.
pb

[The Cannarchist]

A little claw going on......N'est pas?

Ta!

[plantbuilder]

ce n'est pas la monsieur.
albeit she's in a fighting spot top left, but in the middle she does much the same, even her cuttings. all in different media light and nutrient combinations.
she can't carry the double stem into branches it seems
so flowering that top section i no longer have any chunks of double stem to clone... the branches flower as u see them, this planty actually carries the odor of vision better than the other two self's which show no claw, larger buds but seemingly less smell.
vapor has a branch cutting of this #1 vs1 we'll see if there is a way to talk her out of being a freak while keeping the smell homegrown
i have kept all three vs1's backed up... as i have yet to try their bounty.
peace.
plantbuilder

[The Cannarchist]

We love the freaks......

[kisanth]

Hey pb, a little molasas. When salt PPM's rise to high, I do an H2O + molasas flush. Not sure if this is actually doing "good" but it sure ain't hurtin them. If I get this right then the EA/EN are a combo of both bennies(EA) and food(EN) for them.?.?

That "claw" in your picture is what I get on parts of plants. Right now I have some JW WW in Hydroton on an E&F table under a 600hps. Sixteen gal rez of 1300ppm FloraLucas. This plant stretches so much that I ran out of head room (38" plant) for about 5 plants at 20 days of 12/12 when flipping @ 8 inches, so I just bent those 5 tops around the outsie of the hood. All 5 tops are displaying the "claw", not the whole plant - just the tops?!? So what causes this? Too strong a mix for amount of light? Doubt it, that would just show itself as nute burn and not claw. IME anyway.

It seems that, if the whole plant is subjected to too strong of a nute mix for the light intensity it's given, it (the whole plant) will show tip burn, where as, if a plant is given a strong mix (not quite enough to cause tip burn) then only the parts of the plants that are shaded show the claw. [shrug]

I post some pics tomorrow.

Sorry for carring on and going off topic here..... but you caught me in a mood. ;)

k.
btw, I like the looks of the all white coli.

[humble1]

i like the looks of the all white coli, too.
i wonder if i should spray my kiddie cage with fusion white for max reflectivity...... hmmmh.... maybe after i clean out the old salts etc....

[plantbuilder]

oh man if one of you guys could come over and clean all this shitty paint off my coli's i would be totally obliged
if you think you are seeing reflected light you are wrong
peace.
pb

[nuggdigger]

Lets see, there was the icescrappers, heatgun, plasticsteelwool, hotwater, and paintscrappers and flat-head screw drivers for the those painted groves and scratches. Took most of a Stoney Saturday but hopefully was worth it, for depainting a 2row. Maybe the white is great, as long as it stays on, but ya, there is no need for mini-reflectors in your buds :ninja: Also, i must add, it takes a few rolled motivators as its a pita..lol :smoke3:
peace

[booberry]

Plantbuilder love those pics the first one up there looks very familiar.

Peace and Goodwill

Boo

PS: Kisanth I believe clawing is usually the result of EC being too high due to salt buildup in the medium. Periodic flushing should help keep the EC down and alleviate the claw. Maybe someone else can chime in on this one as well.

[kisanth]

booberry, I agree that the claw is from to high of a salt build up. But I would have to add that that is only the case with insufficient light.

scenerio - 2 plants, same nute mix (1300 ppms), same feeding schedule.
one plant is under a 400w the other a 1k. The 400w plant will show the claw when the 1k plant will not.

Does the same thing happen to one plant where, let's say, half the plant is being heavily shaded? I think it does.

Thanks for the response boo,
k.

[ThaKid]

This place is dusty, hasnt been touched in a WORK week. Where are all the Vertical growers?

[LadyTokin]

Still here, doing the lil dwc vert scrog. Busy whippin' the ladies into shape :)

[ThaKid]

Whats good LadyTokin. What strains you runnin in the DWC vert. scrog?

[ThaKid]

Anyone know of any USED or NEW 300 site coliseums in the USA? PM me.

[Kali]

So I am getting my coli ready(first time , and after a vigorous cleaning I need to fill it with medium. After doing some reading I guess i need some benificials and lime to go with the medium which im still up in the air about. For benificials I have some worm casting extract cause i thoguht casting in the medium would just make things more of a mess. Also have some myke innoculant. I tried some voodoo juice a while back that i thought really helped so i think ill add it too, thats bacterias and fungals. Anything else im missing?

Basically Im thinking perlite, vermiculite and either peat or coco.

What do you guys think is best for ease of use/reuse, water retention and nute buffering.

I know there are special nutes for coco and i want to keep it as simple (and inexpensive) as possible. The 2 reasons im not jumping right towards peat are that i thought it took longer for the coco fibres to break down thus giving it a longer life and the eco factor that peat is not and ecologically sound medium and i would like to move onto something more eco friendly.

Also how much medium is needed to fill 2 tallboy modules.

If all goes well on the cloning front I will hopefully have it running by mid october. Thread coming soon...

Thanks for your input.
Kali

[The Cannarchist]

go with what you know

[Kali]

peat and perlite it is then.

[nuggdigger]

sounds perfect..ddoc used worm poop too..i was always afraid as mine was full of bug eggies:suspicious: i substituted some spare carbon scrubber pellets..though I'm not sure if it made a difference, the media is reused..

peace