Sativas, Sativas, & more Sativas......

[Glass Man]

I notice a number of the big boys here are sativa fans, just by reading the little notice under your names.

So, I was raised on sativas and love them too. I'd like to work on my sativa education and many of you guys seem to know quite a bit. I would like to hear whatever any of you are willing to share. Your all time favorites, the best ones we can still get today. How to grow them indoors and outdoors. Which ones are you growing now. Which hybrids are a good comprosise for a pure sativa. Where to get them. Etc.

I used to remember "stobing" when I was young, like a mental strobe light inside my head flashing quicker & quicker until I got that mental orgasim (or whatever that was called). I remember my ears used to get hot inside. That was beginning in 1976 (remember Jimmy Carter & the Bicentienniel?). Was I just a kid and the weed seemed stronger, or was it because it was pure sativa? There was no such thing as "couch lock" back then.

I've recently been growing sativas, after being scared that they were "hard" to grow indoors, and I'm loving them all over again. I had suspected for a long time that it was sativa that I was missing, but didn't know for sure until I grew some. I grew Golden Haze and it's great. I just finished growing a sativa dom beta test from Dman, X13/Thai x City Lights, but it's not dry enough to smoke yet. And I have some Cambodian Flyer F2s from another friend which are about 15" tall and will be planted outdoors in a few days. So that's my sativa history past & present.

Anyone care to share "anything" about sativas, with me and everyone else here, this could be the beginning of a great thread. Thank all of you who decide to share some knowledge (and opinions are good too).


Peace,
Glass Man

[c-ray]

most 'sativa' genetics originate from within the tropics (tropic of cancer to tropic of capricorn)

[jaharvester]

Im doing a little research and will post soon on the history of the Sativa name.

For now ill let you know that my favorite sativa by far is the Kali Mist.(Seroius Seeds)

It has a brilliant sativa high that is very complex and long lasting.

This same exact variety is also available from Sagarmatha Seeds, under the name Western Winds.

Good thread....

[The Cannarchist]

I'm just an addict for conciousness expanding spiritual highs......

And I've only ever found that in Sativas,specifically Thai Sativas.

African's have a different twist to them entirely.Some of the most devastaing sweat inducing whiteout highs I've had........face down on the beach ,puking and praying for the world to stop spinning,heavy hand tremors.......HeHe!

Central and southern Amercan Sativas for that party,shit-eating grin,awesome taste giggly high.......

Ahhhh, the joys of them all.

[joe6pack]

i really enjoyed burmese which is definetly a sativa high but it finished in 9 weeks. looking forward to growing some more of that soon. i want to get some thai but from where? anyone have a recomendation? i smoked some thai spice that was super back in early 90's wish i saved the seeds :(::.....

[Glass Man]

I agree with the laughter & grinning from the Golden Haze (Acapulco Gold X Haze). It really reminds me of the good ol' days.

I have felt that "conciousness expanding spiritual high" recently and it was wonderful. It pulled me from a long deep depression, that had lasted years, and gave me hope and even answers to how the world can, and will, rebound from the political nightmare we are now facing. I realized at that moment, that the answer lies in "spiritual evolution". We must, and will, all begin to realize the simple truth that we are all spirtiually connected to each other. We will begin to learn to love ourselves and each other. Once that all begins to happen it will be contagious (through our connected spirits) and will expand exponentially. That is the next step in human evolution. We will all have love and wisdom. Greed will vanish, and with that the corruption, polution, waste, and want will also disappear. People who truely love each other will not be fighting for power and resources. We will see the wisdom in cooperation and will become united as brothers and sisters. Religions and politics will be unnecessary. The possibilities beyond that are endless and we will be able to tap into powers that are unimagionable to most of us now.

Yep, I just love a good spiritual sativa buzz. Gives you a reason to get off the couch and Live!!

I'm hoping the "Thai" part in Dman's X13/Thai x City Light's will show me that hope again, and again. It'll bring tears to your eyes, just like a good Hallmark movie! I'll be reporting on that one soon.

Peace,

[The Cannarchist]

I'm definately going to reproduce the TFD Thai x Vision Thai,and use that line to do a double backcross into the VT as well.Look out "Big Pharma" ,and all your "Happy pills"......

A good Sativa will change your life

[marigyp]

Could anyone tell a humble grower who is particularly fond of mind and spirit altering sativas where he might be able to purchase some TFD, Vision Thai, and or TFDxVision Thai? I have looked everywhere I think, but no luck.

[joe6pack]

Could anyone tell a humble grower who is particularly fond of mind and spirit altering sativas where he might be able to purchase some TFD, Vision Thai, and or TFDxVision Thai? I have looked everywhere I think, but no luck.

well i think with the death of cbay there isn't a venue from which to purchase these strains. perhaps the creator will have something to add?

i too don't see much available out there. i know dp has a thai but i haven't heard good things about it....

so again i will ask for some recomendations?

[jaharvester]

I smoked a phenotype of Jack Herer(Sensi seeds) that was crazy.
The high sent me soaring into mind numbing thai chaos!!!!!

[Glass Man]

Can anyone comment on the Brazilian Seed Company? They seem to have some good ones. I'd like to try Columbian Gold, especially outdoors. Have any of you folks in the US ordered from them?

Where are some other good places to get sativas?

[Schip]

Love Potion, Manga Haze , Kali Mist, Alaska Trainwreck, and Dr. Atomic's Haze are my top five.

[goldking]

Glassman, you asked about the Brazilian Seed Co,

I just received a pk of 30 columbian Gold seeds,that their e-mail said they posted 5/13.

they arrive untampered and undamaged.

2 +mths ago i had a 2pk order of Manga Rosa (father of WW) arrive crushed due to the fact that the one sided cardboard they used could not stand up to the USPO,s crushers,

after discussing the situation ,and with them remembering my order due to the fact that i went out of my way to send a Crisp New $100 bill(easiest to exchange overseas) the order was only $80 and they sent many extras to compensate and now with them using the hardest cardboard they could find, both the Manga Rosa and the Columbian Gold that arrived today are fine.

the Manga Rosa,s are growing out as a rather unique landrace sativa ..I,m crossing them with a N.Pakistan Indica(Kashmir) female to recreate my own version of White Widow.

there is no problem working with BSC..

seeds are $40USD per pack..send cash registered

happy ordering stay safe GK

[thai die]

the Manga Rosa,s are growing out as a rather unique landrace sativa ..

hey, GK, i ran reefs manga rosa cut, and definitly a unique plant as far as growth. untopped it takes off like a beanpole. smoke wasnt much off the vine, but turned into another weed once cured 30 days or so. potentcy ramps up in the jar, becomes very flavorful.

so hows them strawberry coughers commin along. ya buddin um yet:ninja:

three of your thai X afghani still veggin here.

take care bro, must be gettin all kinds of sunlight up there now eh :cool2:

TD

[markscastle]

Some of my favorites are Black magic(african sativa),Panama Red,Haze,thai,and Veitnam Black. I haven`t had any of the new Haze that is out,at least not pure. I `ve only smoked haze bros.and that`s been a while because I haven`t grown outdoor herb in some while.
I`d like to grow outdoors but it would have to be in my back yard and I`d be afraid of getting ripped off. If I can get this indoor stuff down good I might try growing some pure sativa indoors.I still have alot of seed for it.You`d have to pinch and/or fem it even with my tall ceilings cus it grows real tall.In tell then the best I can do is indica and sat dom crosses.

Ace seeds has some nice sativas,Dubi sent me about there whole line up as well as a few not availible, for some Haze seeds that were from 1969.I haven`t been able to get through to him every sence the old CW went down, so I don`t know if he had any luck with them. I feel bad cause he may not have had much luck with them old seeds and even though I didn`t ask for them he sent me so many different seeds in return.I was going to send him some more if he needed them or maybe some of my other old strains.Anyone know how to get a hold of him? Anyway try google for Ace seeds and if that doesn`t work just pm me and I`ll get my poor sad stoned ass up for you and look for that address on the flyer For Ace seeds He sent me.

[markscastle]

Columbian Gold,Seems that Acapuca Gold was columbian that was grown in Mexico as the story was, if I remember right? I think they used to scraf the stock two weeks from harvest to deprive the buds somewhat so it would turn gold colour. Wonder if this is alike to that Acapuco Gold from back in the day? Don`t think I saved any seed from then, but I`d have to look to be sure.Well what the hell,I`d have to grow some out just to compare it anyway and I`m to over worked for my health with what I got going in the garden already.
This is krap! the price on the street is outragous,can`t get out to grow in the hills anymore,can`t grow in the back yard cause of the ripoff`s and indoors costs and costs and is still to much work! I miss the old days and youth! But what are you going to do,I need my meds!!!

[bigsur51]

from a UK breeder, Sunshine Seeds, supposed to be 100% sativa, fast finisher at 60-70 days and compact for the indoors....

[Green Supreme]

Nice pics Big,defiately looks heavy sativa dominant.Don't really dig the association with the name.Peace GS

[Bacchus]

I have grown out Reeferman's Willie Nelson....nice super easy growing bush.....big producers of strong herb....nice strong sativa high.

Just finishing up the Love Potion.....won't know how good it is until another 2-3 weeks.

[sdlm]

((([QUOTE=Glass Man;4598]I notice a number of the big boys here are sativa fans, just by reading the little notice under your names.)))
NB 2 Glass Man

[sdlm]

thanx, people.

[DOZEE]

lol smoking mexican sensi ...
its brick but me and my girl have a hard time making it through a joint..
good stuff ..

[c-ray]

does it smell like a campfire

[hazedaze]

lately I have been into a cross of Stargazer crossed with Kandahar...but I have High hopes for thseeds Sage n sour

[Nirrity]

I'm definately going to reproduce the TFD Thai x Vision Thai...

any possibilities for that cross to see the light of the days?

perhaps tfd Thai x VT momma? to make it straightly, without affie influence?

P.S. BTW does anybody heard anything about Shipperke? last time i've heard bout him personally were the times of his collaboration with RM, the time when Accidental Haze was released... circa 2007 i think.

[Green Supreme]

You got the Vision Thai for us to use? Peace GS

[vapor]

Accidental Haze pretty sure i got some of these beans from reef before shiperke was in the picture.,.,

[Nirrity]

give them a try year-long cured AH colombian pheno transforms the world around me into Great wonderful Unknown and make me percept every bit of it with happy crisp alertness.. full of lovely energies.. i miss it.
local keralan sativa flood me with electric tremor and trip-out head, luckily no paranoia, though i saw 4 episodes people get closed in their rooms, one time 2 israelis blame the dealer after night session that it was diluted with chemicals.. not a friendly high..

[vapor]

i am pretty sure the accidental haze came from a freak pheno in amstel gold.,.,.

[Nirrity]

yeah I know you're pretty sure :) it's an old story.. whatever the pedigree the smoke is awesome that's what i wanna say.

stay open, spread love.

[Green Supreme]

You don't believe the story? Got some inside info? Peace GS

[vapor]

dude those words came from reefs mouth.,.,
truth of the matter i dont realy see why some folks lie about cannabis i guess it is to sell seeds.,., funny thing , i agree it only matters if it is good and you like it.,., but i dont like to be miss lead.,., so everytime i see that shit.,i am gona call it.,., so.,., sorry didnt mean to BLOW you mind.,.,

[vapor]

this is why it pisses me off
"The accidental haze was a accidental hybrid between mexican red hair and punta rojo columbian "

so you are like the columbia pheno blah blah blah, what columbian pheno there is no columbian.,., so it miss leads people to make false assumption .,., anyways, not your fault you were lied to.,.,just dont like miss leading information.,.,

[Green Supreme]

Hahahahah Peace GS

[Nirrity]

yes i feel pretty much dedicated to Reef because all the best smoke in my life came from his hybrids so yes it's hard for me to believe he can lie that stupid about pedigree of his hybrids.
On the other side i clearly realize that breeders do lie sometimes about genetics, so Reef can not be excluded. Still you sound like only half-truth.. what was the male to this amstel gold pheno then? what i got wasn't S1..
I really double-minded here. I can see your points, but they don't get enough weight in my eyes...

stay alert :)

[vapor]

points or rounded tips.,.,.,

Guess what reef sells seeds and guess what else, if reef lies he sells more seeds.,.,I dont sell seeds, i have no reason to lie to you, the male that was used, was called black seed mexican, but i know i know, i sit here and lie all the time about this kind of stuff so.,.,The only breeder i have ever called out is reefs stuff because i have heard from his mouth,beleive what you want, but dont put reef up on a pedistal cause he is human just like you, that is the biggest thing in this industry, pedistals.wtf.,.humanisms,.how the fuck , are we supposed to hand down solid info about cannabis heritages if they are lies.,., the truth is out there......

[Nirrity]

..but i know i know, i sit here and lie all the time about this kind of stuff so..
vapor i respect you and mostly everyone here (VC, GS, c-ray) in every aspect please keep it in mind.
O'K, so original first release Love Potion #1 is actually GN lemon thai x (GN lemon thai x airborne's g13) and Accidental Haze is a a renamed old Prairie Fire hybrid Amstel Gold X Blackseed. if so i'd like to hear what else are there Reef lie about genetics?

stay alert.

[vapor]

there is probably more.,., buts that is all i know, these are things i hear with my own ears. once you hear they did it once where do you draw the line, right? in the end if it is good and you like and it .this is good, so if they made good shit{which they did people seem to love it} then why lie about it.,., me thinks it all comes down to dollars and cents, but who knows for sure.As i continue to grow i get exposed to more and more truths about cannabis, this year i have been exposed to the nepalese side, now i know, so the only way is to grow all that shit.,., i want to get my hands on some columbian black i hear it is very good, as far as columbians i have only grown the red and she put on huge colas and finished quite quickly{50 or 60 daze}, not great weed good but not great.,., thais will always have a special place for me they give me those lovin highs.,., peace

[vapor]

strongest sativa i have experienced so far is apurimacs 3 way columbian x thai it makes my my ears go high pitch every session and makes me pace and hands shake


yea man the some of the real good sativas, give me that audio high aswell!

[Nirrity]

...thais will always have a special place for me they give me those lovin highs...

vapor did you find anything that sounds similar to Dutch Flowers' description of hawaiian thai they used in "Lemon Thai"?
...Very, very energetic high, it is the "clear mental surfing" variety for us, without a hint of paranoia (which cannot be said of the other two varieties in this pack).. These buds are a favorite of many, as they are excellent positive-mood inducers...

[vapor]

most of the good thai i have grown have had a real nice up high some are stronger then others,
pretty sure the thai they used for the love potion, came from gypsy nirvana and was called lemon thai.,.,
dutch flowers dont know what you are talking about so.,.,
If you want some good thai that will rip your sock s off or on.,., go grab some doc atomic thai lights.,., a couple packs and you will find winners.,.,

[Nirrity]

...that will rip your sock s off or on...

on the contrary i want friendly uplifting paranoia-free high, i don't want mind-melting highs no more :)

did this lemon thai from Gypsy was really called "lemon thai" or is it his "Thai Stick" or "foxtail sativa"? can't find lemon thai in GN Collection..

[vapor]

probably not there anymore i dont real follow the gypsy nirvana offerings, it was called lemon thai.,.,
i usually dont find very much paranoia in the thais i smoke,very much the opposite, i mean they get me going, uplifting positive, highs, that what i mean by getting your socs put on or off{gets you going}.,., so get some doc thai lights fuck gypsys hacked shit, get some good thai gens.,., doc atomics is a good place to start.,.,

[Nirrity]

thanks vapor i will try as soon as i establish new grow location..

hey Timo i have no connections with colombians how they differs northern from southern? what is "farc" btw couldn't find translation in lingvo!

damn just noticed that Atomic's Thai Lights is no more Thai X NL now there is Haze included..> "Northern Lights, Thai Haze"

[Lungus]

The Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia – People's Army (Spanish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language): [I]Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia – Ej

[Nirrity]

?? bastards!

[Green Supreme]

Believe there is both Thai Lights and Atomic Haze still. Peace GS

[vapor]

if your smart you would get one of each or maybe 2 of each.,.,.

[Nirrity]

i'm not smart at all so might go with A.C.E. Seeds Double Thai..

[Alchemist]

Im heading to costa rica this weekend!!

Im really hoping I can score some nice south american buds full of seeds!!

I understand there is a lot of pressed columbian low quality there, Im still saving the seeds to try if I get some!

wish me luck!!

PEACE

[vapor]

i'm not smart at all so might go with A.C.E. Seeds Double Thai..

fuck them too.,.,hahhaha

[Nirrity]

wait.. something wrong with ace? :huh:?

[Green Supreme]

We know they don't treat treat all the folks well, that they get there genetics from and prefer not to deal with them. Peace GS

[Nirrity]

no one on this Earth treat all the folks well IMHO..

[Green Supreme]

No one said they didn't treat all the folks well. We said they did not treat the people well, that they got their genetics from. Not quite the same thing really. Peace GS

[Nirrity]

No one said they didn't treat all the folks well. We said they did not treat the people well, that they got their genetics from. Not quite the same thing really. Peace GS

Did not understand well then. I've heard of only tensions between La Mano Negra and dubi about ace used angola roja without permission.

[Green Supreme]

So you did know they don't treat people well. Peace GS

[Nirrity]

back to the Atomics new Thai Lights does anybody know the exact genetic make-up? is it Thai x (Haze x NL) or (Thai x NL) x Haze or (Thai x Haze) x NL or .. ? and also what particular "Haze" used?

the same question for Atomics Haze ..

stay open

[plantbuilder]

fuck

[vapor]

!!!

[plantbuilder]

fuck you

[Bram]

wow, talk about lost in translation.......

[Nirrity]

so i got response from Doc, fastest response from a breeder.
hopefuly it's ok to post it in public for those who might be interested.

Q:
Greetings Doc!
was redirected to you by Green Supreme from C-W..

So.. is it possible to ask you to unveil is it Thai x (Haze x NL) or (Thai x NL) x Haze or (Thai x Haze) x NL or .. ?
and also what particular "Haze" used in this cross?

the same question for Atomics Haze .. is it (SSH X NL) x Cambodian or ...

With great respect, Nirrity.

A:
Wow,
evryone wants to know all the details !
like asking the chef in a high end place to write down the recipe and hand it to me !
I have never found the dutch companies to be forthright about there 'stuff' and most people don't know the pedigree of what their growing other than 'fast, fat, and potent, not neccesarrly in that order. top of the list is will it sell for #### a ++++.
well that said thai lights is a F1 from pure thai sativa (female) to a NL male from my stable.
I have backcrossed NL to selected F1 offspring for thai lights 2.
I have utilized various 'hazes' Thai, Cambo, amnesia, super silver, kali mist, these are all 'labels' and no one 'owns' them.
=========

so Thai Lights #2 is (Thai X NL) X NL... hmmm.. still don't understand where is "Haze" that is mentioned in the description.. anyway that looks too much NL in there..

[Green Supreme]

Lol too much nl, I think you would have to grow them out to find that out. By to much nl do you mean the structure. Thought is was the buzz you were going for. I mean a sativa high in an indica structure, that would suck. Peace GS

[vapor]

"so Thai Lights #2 is (Thai X NL) X NL... hmmm.. still don't understand where is "Haze" that is mentioned in the description.. anyway that looks too much NL in there.."

shit man, what do you think about that, you get your ans from the breeder and you say, ah too much northern lights, i can assure you that the northern lights is the key to making these thai acceptable for indoor cultivation, the northern lights that doc uses has amazing structure and yield, so if you are scared of getting a high yielding thai high planty, then dont get them, anyways they are great seeds and lots to pick from in terms of tailoring a plant that will fill your garden and give a great thai high.,.,
i my opinion, of all the genetics i have sifted through, you will not be disapointed with doc atomics offerings ! peace

[Nirrity]

no shit man vapor what did touch you so close friend? am i not have a right to say "ah too much northern lights"? i don't like indica diluted highs did i ever mention that i need the quality of high not the yield taste structure or whatever.. saing that i have no doubts Docs offerings are top notch nothing but respect here i saw GS grow log on this..
peace

[vapor]

No you dont have the right to say to much northern lights, because you havent grown it yourself, so we are saying they have rippen thai highs, and you are saying to much northern lights. do you understand. you are making assumtions, we are making direct observations with our own experiences.

[plantbuilder]

fuck

[vapor]

Doc has done a good job of picking good males that pass on the desired traits, so the females are passing on the highs, flavors, etc,

[Nirrity]

vapor am i understand you right that Doc refined the line so precisely that new Thai Lights version possess all Thai head despite being 75% NL genetically? it's just sounds unreal to me but if it is really so my hat off for Docs work..

[Green Supreme]

Ok dude it seems like you are coming here asking for advice, then telling us it is wrong. Certainly a good way to raise the anger level, or perhaps you have not noticed you are pissing people off. Are you asking us or telling us? Peace GS

[Green Supreme]

punta roja purple thai cambodian

Ooo that sounds good. Peace GS

[vapor]

hahahaha, so for the third time, i think doc has found a male that passes the traits along that he wants{structure,flowering time}, that is a golden tool for a breeder{have read about shanti or nevelle}, I mean i have grown out thai lights seeds, and all the males were identicle , which leads to the females filling in the holes that the male leaves{high flavor,etc}.so why dont you go grab a pack of thai lights grow them out smoke them and then you can tell me i am full of shit or you dont believe me, untill then your "doubt" carries no weight bra peacevapor am i understand you right that Doc refined the line so precisely that new Thai Lights version possess all Thai head despite being 75% NL genetically? it's just sounds unreal to me but if it is really so my hat off for Docs work..

[Nirrity]

thank you vapor.