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1stCrop
03-08-2006, 03:20 AM
Hows this for the basic forums first post.

Germinating Seeds 101


Germinating seeds a quite the simple task, although one of the most important aspects of the growing process. Lets face it, you paid big bucks for that pack of seeds and if the seeds don't germinate you cant have a grow. Seeds probably average 5-10$ each so you should make the most of them.

There are many different technics for germinating your seeds. The one that seems to be pushed the most is the moist paper towel and plastic bag method. When I purchased my first seeds the were was a paper included that suggested using this method, so I did. I used this method for a couple years with fairly good and consistent results. I had about a 80% rate of germination and about 90% of those turned into plants. For every 10 seeds I would end up with about 7 plants. Not to bad, but could be better.

I started looking into it and there was another method that I have read about and wanted to try. The shotglass water germination method. Another simple germination method. Simply fill a shotglass with water and drop some seeds in and leave them. Supposedly a day or two later you should have germinated seeds. If I remember correctly I had a 50% or less rate of germination and I don't remember how many of them grew up. That's why I only did it once.

A little more reading led me to believe that the most superior germination method was the one that I knew how to do all along, the just plant it method. No way I said, that cant be best, that's how my 2nd grade teacher had us plant our pea plants. I gave it a try and low and behold 100% germination with 100% healthy plants. I have since been using this method for the last year and plan on continuing with it because I feel it's the best and most consistent.

Its actually a little more complicated then just plant it, but simple none the less. The first step is to fill a shot glass with water. If you have super thrive, thrive alive, kelp, or another MILD fertilizer or root hormone now would be a good time for a drop or two. I would rather use nothing then a full strength fertilizer. I personally use a couple drops of maxicrop kelp with a NPK value of .1-0-1, very mild.
Next step is to drop in your seeds. If germinating multiple strains make sure to use different shotglass with labels if you want to know what your growing and smoking. Once there in there let them soak for 12-24 hours. I have done both and have not noticed any difference. I like to have them on a heating pad for this step so there in MILDLY warm water, low will be fine.

You should get prepared to plant them by gathering a couple things: You'll need containers, tweezers, a paper towel, soil, pearlite, spray bottle, and a pen or pencil. The soil and pearlite are the most important. Make sure you use a soil that is void of ANY nutrients as they will burn your seeds and seedlings. I like to go heavy on the pearlite for my seedlings so they have no restrictions on there root growth, about 50% pearlite. The containers are simple red party cups with holes poked in the bottom. The paper towel, tweezers, spray bottle, and pen are just to make life a little easier for you.

Now that your ready to plant them bring your shotglasses and the heating pad to wherever your working. Fill your cups with the soil mix and give them a good soaking with the spray bottle. Make sure it's enough water to at least wet the top half of the soil. Once all the cups are full and watered take the pen and dig out small holes about 1-2 inches deep, one per cup.

Next take the paper towel and fold it up. Place it on top of the shotglass, go the sink, and just dump the seeds on the towel.
Take the tweezers and one at a time pick the seeds up and drop them in the holes. It doesn't matter which direction or angle they lay, they know what to do. Cover them lightly right away. Then spray the soil down to let it naturally compact around the seed. Repeat this for the rest of the seeds.

Now take your heating pad on low and set up the cups on top of it. I have a tray I sit the cups in and sit the tray on the heating pad so it doesn't get wet. You don't need any light for the germination process but it wouldn't hurt anything if they were under a light as long as the heat is under control. If you have them under a light they are going to require more water.

Your going to have to water them with the spray bottle twice a day at least because of the heating pad. If you have them under a light you can figure on doubling the frequency of the waterings. It is very important not to let the soil dry up. They need a moist warm environment to thrive

Now you just wait for them to pop up. Ten days at least before you worry, but I seem to average 4-5 days. If you chose not to use light, as I do, you need to know that after the seeds pop they will want light within a couple days.

I have all my seeds that pop grow up healthy. There seems to never be any that pop and then die off. That use to happen to me all the time when using the paper towel method.. I think it's because sometimes when transferring the seeds from the towel to the container the tap root gets a little manhandled. About you thought you did it perfect but it could have been damaged in the soil during compaction.

This is just the method that I have found to be the best in my opinion.

Dobie
03-08-2006, 04:27 AM
I would like to add that I've had strike rates go UP when skuffing the sides a bit with a piece of sand paper......I think this allows a tad more moisture to enter the seed husk..also some seeds tend to have a thicker or harder husk, and this helps it to open

1stCrop
03-08-2006, 05:26 AM
Do you scuff every seed as practice, or only problem seeds?

Dobie
03-08-2006, 02:26 PM
now every one........it doesn't take much either......a few passes on each side...I like to do it along each 'edge'

Lothar of the Hill People
03-08-2006, 08:39 PM
I get good enough germ rates with just the old paper towel in a baggie that any changes could only hurt me. :)

c-ray
03-08-2006, 08:57 PM
I get good enough germ rates with just the old paper towel in a baggie that any changes could only hurt me. :)


what size baggie do you use?
I switched from a sandwich baggie to a bigger baggie and got even better germination, and also I got better results with once folded paper towels versus twice folded

meloyelo
03-08-2006, 11:52 PM
Once all the cups are full and watered take the pen and dig out small holes about 1-2 inches deep, one per cup.

:confused: that seems very deep to me, I've found 1/4" -1/2" works fine.
-melo

1stCrop
03-09-2006, 12:07 AM
I've never really measured, but I'm pretty sure I go at least an inch.
From the tip to the first knuckle of my finger is about an inch and when I've done it with my finger i've gone that deep.
I'm going to be germing in about a week so I'm going to try and add some pictures(after the perminant server) and I'll actually measure how deep I plant them.
later

Artful Dodger
03-09-2006, 06:54 AM
I've tried multiple methods too, and found that for me the paper towel between 2 small plates and sittin' on the water heater for warmth gives me germ rates in the 90%+ range. I've also played 'round with sprayin' the paper towel with various things.....superthrive, fish ferts, etc....but in my case they didn't seem to make any difference than plain ol' water.

As with anythin'...."mileages vary" I reckon!

Arty

necromunger
03-09-2006, 07:44 AM
Try placing seeds in paper towel, with a couple folds. Then place paper towel in some aluminum foil and fold, to make an easily handlable package. This can then be placed on top a fridge, or even underneath, for warmth. Folding in aluminum foil makes an easily handlable and movable object, for save stashing in a warm location.

frankwhite
03-09-2006, 08:20 AM
Roll beans in Paper Towel. Thick ones. Put in bag. Fill half way up with water and let soak at 80 degrees. A cable box will run 80 deg with water. 12 hours later drain water out of bag. 24 hours later pull the towels out and shake off water. Put back in zip lock. I roll them up firmly with no problems. I dont like messing around with slow popping beans so after 5 days I just bury them in a veg pot. Ive had beans pop out of pots 5 to 6 months later. No way to know what they are cause record keepping is not done this method. If it pops faster I can remember it sometimes. Last note,you should wash your hands before you begin checking the bags. After a few days on slow growing tails I add a tad of soil just a pinch and let it sit in bags. Pop a lot and get plenty of females.

Lothar of the Hill People
03-09-2006, 02:59 PM
I use a sandwich baggie, with the paper folded enough times to fit. :) I also use the "HS/C-Bay recommended" method of using a weak bleach solution (1 tsp bleach: 1 gal water) rather than straight water. I warmed by sitting the bag on a CD case (Crazy World of Arthur Brown - IMPORTANT! :rolleyes: ) and sitting the CD case on top of a flouro strip light. Germ rates in the 80-100% range.

marigyp
03-09-2006, 05:23 PM
I don't believe you can beat twenty million years of genetic development. First I use a nail file on the edges of the beans just in case they do have a protein coating or extra thick shell. Then I drop the beans in warm water for twentyfour hours. From there I drop them into damp soil about a quarter inch to a half inch deep. As I usually start them in party cups I cover the tops of the cups with a cling wrap to keep the moisture in. Once I have sprouts above ground I remove the cling wrap, and it is off to the grow races. Works great for me.

Roscoe
03-10-2006, 07:54 PM
I know this sounds a little far-out, but I've had my best luck with hard to germ seeds with the double sponge method. Just wring out the water until its just damp and put into a closed container on 80 degree F heat.

WeedMafia
03-11-2006, 11:19 AM
when i get a batch of stubborn beans sometimes i'll(wash my hands first of course)roll them around on something hard under my thumb,not to the point of cracking,just enuff to loosen 'em up.but if you DO crack 'em as long as they're not smushed they should still be viable then i do the paper towel-plate on the cablebox trick keeping them totally dark of course.

WeedMafia

WeedMafia
03-11-2006, 11:24 AM
and if that does'nt work i just stick a cattle prod up their ass,you stick a cattle prod up their ass you can get a bean to deal cards...simple matter of voltage...lol.

WeedMafia

Ed Larkis
03-11-2006, 08:46 PM
Damn, some of you go to a lot of work!

Try this method:

Place a cotton washcloth folded into quarters on a clean plate. Put seeds inside so they have two layers above and two layers below. Wet washcloth until soaked, then tilt plate to pour off excess water. Place in a mostly dark cupboard or drawer. No heat, no bleach, no scuffing and NO cattle prod! In two or three days seeds will have opened and have a 1/4-1/2 inch (baby) tap root. Place in soil 1/4-1/2 inch below the surface with tap root down, cover loosely with soil and water lightly.

That's it, that's all. 100% germination is the norm with this method.

Ed

rosso reefo
03-12-2006, 02:36 AM
I'll even go down to simpler Ed
I've never had any problems with just soaking my seeds in a glass of bottled water and as soon as they sprout into the ground they go with the root facing down..
by the way Ed..nice first post for the basics..

Ed Larkis
03-12-2006, 11:07 AM
rosso,
Good to see you buddy! You were missed tonight, but it was cool we all got to give you a shoutout from the restaurant.

Thanks for the props. You know me man, the simpler the better. All the work folks are talking about is really unnecessary we both know. Hey, remember the "Gravelbud"? :kind: That seed sure didn't get any special treatment!

Ed

Old Toby
03-12-2006, 08:08 PM
I also use the papertowel method, Ed. I have been able to speed up the process by putting the moist washcloth, filled with seeds as you describe, into a ziplock baggie. Close the baggie and then put the baggie on top of my DSL modem. Doing this at 5pm gives me short tails by noon the next day. Fresh seeds do sprout fastest.

Thanks for EVERYTHING. We had the best dinner of our lives last night.....and the company wasn't half bad. ;) (would have been better if rosso and sha were there!!!)

Your Friends,
the 23's

saskafarian
04-23-2006, 05:29 PM
The CBay/HS method that came with delivered seeds was valuable only as a proof of germination for the benefit of RC. Why marijuana seed should receive treatment specific only to the itself is beyond me. No other plant type needs such a special treatment.( O.K., don't trash me. I'm sure there are some, but nothing that germs or grows as easily as MJ )

I would drop my own seeds into water until they sprouted only to check germination percentages. My normal method is to soak until the seeds stopped floating and plant in used soil mix.

I have had some seeds purchases take up to 15 days to pop. Joey Weeds'
C-99 F2 is an example of this fenumin..phenomomim...errr thing.

The methods that involve planting sprouted seeds seem to be carrying an unneeded risk. More power to ya if it works for you, to each his own.

mace
04-24-2006, 03:17 PM
Why marijuana seed should receive treatment specific only to the itself is beyond me. No other plant type needs such a special treatment.
well said saskafarian, it must have something to do with stoners overcomplicating the simpliest things in life ;)

from all methods i tried i liked this method best:

put seed in dirt, keep moist.

simple, effecient, idiot prof, no need for complex techniques that could go wrong, no chance of killing a sprout with your fingers and no interruption between germing and growing.

KISS :)

I really think that the "germinating" in paper towels or wherever is something that only pleases the grower not the plant and can only reduce success.

peace,

mace

mace
04-24-2006, 03:17 PM
Why marijuana seed should receive treatment specific only to the itself is beyond me. No other plant type needs such a special treatment.
well said saskafarian, it must have something to do with stoners overcomplicating the simpliest things in life ;)

from all methods i tried i liked this method best:

put seed in dirt, keep moist.

simple, effecient, idiot prof, no need for complex techniques that could go wrong, no chance of killing a sprout with your fingers and no interruption between germing and growing.

KISS :)

I really think that the "germinating" in paper towels or wherever is something that only pleases the grower not the plant and can only reduce success.

peace,

mace

reefweed
04-24-2006, 05:45 PM
Soaked in plain water then straight to the medium. Always worked for me.

Alaska
05-02-2006, 09:32 PM
Why marijuana seed should receive treatment specific only to the itself is beyond me. No other plant type needs such a special treatment.( O.K., don't trash me. I'm sure there are some, but nothing that germs or grows as easily as MJ )


Not busting your balls or anything, but in my biology class at college, we routinely wash seeds in about 5% bleach solution for about 3 minutes, gently swirling all the while. After the 3 min, they are washed with deionized water, and placed on agar, so the bleach is not specific to MJ

HOWEVER, I still don't start my MJ seeds like this, as they cost a little more than rutgers tomato seeds lol

Here's how I do it, while everyone is sharing

I take a quart freezer bag and fill with water almost all the way. Add about 2 drops of bleach. Then, if the water actually smells of bleach, I will dump half the water out and add more (tap water btw).

Next, I will take about 4 layered paper towels, and fold them in half, making 8 layers thick. Then, I will dip this into the bag, wetting the towels. Then, the towels are wrung out to moist, still just barley dripping when squeezed, but not too dry.

Next, I dump all the water out of the bag, add the seeds and fold the paper towels again, making 8 layers on each side of the seeds. The bag is sealed, wrapped in a black trashbag to keep out light, and place on top of the fridge until germination.

Not to scare anyone thats a tweezer fan off, but I usually get very good germ rates. Sometimes, tought, especially with old seeds, the seeds crack, but the taproot really doesn't stretch. Once again, this is not normal with this method, just with old seeds. For these I will (with clean hands) with my fingers remove the seed hull and transplant into dirt myself, I usually make the hole with a pen cap clip, and set the plantlet in, with just the very top of the future cotyledons showing above the soil.

Enter the humidome and great results every time

Enjoy life all and be safe
Alaska

nuggdigger
07-08-2007, 12:18 PM
From How to Supercharge Your Garden, By Graham Reinders.


Seed Germination
Certain seeds can in fact be turned ON to germinate or be turned OFF not to germinate with just a single flash of light at these frequencies. When these seeds receive a flash of "red" light (at 660-760nm) followed by a flash of "far red" light at (760-800nm) they will not germinate. Reverse the order and these will germinate.
Some seeds can be randomly switched ON and OFF many times, but the final flash of light frequency that these seeds experience will decide whether they are switched ON or OFF for germination. If the last flash was "red" they seeds will germinate. If there is darkness or the last flash was "far red" they will not germinate.