Joe's cabinet

[joe6pack]

Welcome

I figured to celebrate the re-birth of our beloved C-W I would begin a nice little grow and chat thread.

Please feel free to ask and speak your mind. Consider this a place to come hang out and watch some growing going on.

This is my cabinet - if I can get a pic to load....

it's counter height - and the interior is 29" wide x 29" tall x 15" deep. Part of the width is taken by electrical stuff and the blower so the actual grow space is closer to 24" wide x 15" deep - or around 2.5 square feet.

For lighting I have currently a 150 watt hps and two t8 floro fixtures. total watts is 183 and total lumens is 18,225 - so I have around 73 watts / square foot of grow space.

The result for me is usually some very nice dense nuggs.

I use DWC hydro with 2 gallon buckets. I then use super simple scrog screens too.

so come on in and pull up a chair!

-joe

p.s. well darnit the upload did not work... will try again later

[The Cannarchist]

So what ya going to stock it with this time round ,Joe?

[joe6pack]

So what ya going to stock it with this time round ,Joe?

[hydrorascal]

good looking ... and on top of that.. a safe setup too ! Nice to see all the cords up on the wall, most of them anyway....

The biggest thing I can see is... green screening.. green is a pain come harvest time... the fluro colored string in the crafts section at walmart or the electrical section at Lowes/casa de pot is much easier to deal with...

A carbon filter on your grow... damn... you are serious bout telling no one arent ya ?? WELL done ...hr

[joe6pack]

hey hydroweasel yeah i use a can style filter and you can't smell a thing even in the same room. i tried a homemade one at first but the air flow wasn't very good at all.

[marigyp]

I be watchin the show from the side, popcorn and a bong anyone.

[joe6pack]

I be watchin the show from the side, popcorn and a bong anyone.

high mari glad you stopped by let s pass that bong and get high :)

[LadyTokin]

sittin' with mari, enjoying the show :popcorn: :beer: :rollj:

[joe6pack]

hi LT thanks for dropping by good to see you :)

here's some macros from day 27

[joe6pack]

P.S. - as you can see the frost is already beginning to form :D - I really love the last shot. Very nice strain from clone. these plants were barely showing roots out of the bottom of the cubes with maybe 2-3 sets of leaves at 2" tall when I threw them into DWC buckets and flipped on the 150 hps in 12/12. Now these plants would be maybe 1.5-2feet tall if left to grow straight up. Instead I used this expected stretcccccch to fill screens fairly well over last 3 weeks. now we're looking at 12 - 14 bud sites per 1 foot super simple screen modular screen. I did some judicious pruning along the way and the result is the start of some nice dense nuggets IMHO

[The Cannarchist]

Good work,Joe.

A nice compact system,well engineered,and healthy looking plants.

Now design that for a sativa.:joint3:

:rasta:

[tiedye420]

What would a sativa growbox be? 4x4 x14? Aluminum ladder inside to trim with. Shoot cannarch dont gimme no ideas..... Am i gonna have to break out the "SOX" for sidelighting and a 400 halide up top ?
Imagine sticking a 12 footer out after the first frost,like a landrace columbian sativa...... Oh christmas tree oh christmas tree.
Joe nice to meet ya im loco! L.O.L.
no really im tiedye and thats a sweet box you got, nice genetics and looks like you got it down....good luck I'll be watchin...

[joe6pack]

welcome tiedye420 :wave:

-joe

[skeeter]

Great stuff, as always joe:allgood2:

[tiedye420]

Try NYCD they only veg about 4" a day in full swing. L.O.L.
seriously, I'll have somethin for you to try soon enough if your up to it...
Looks like you got her stocked up pretty well though... I started using a 2x4x4 closet 2 years ago.( an outdoor grower since my youth though) After pumpin up the closet I finally moved into the bedroom. Ran like that for over a year, pumping up the lights along the way.
Now I finally moved into a 3 bedroom "rental". So the whole trailer is up for a remodel, back bedroom got a good scrubbing and painting. I'll add a couple of more rooms for breeding seperatley. The filters are gonna kill me though....
I was thinking of doing up a little box or shed in the shade, since the owner is going to trip if i move my trailer around on the property. "But why would you want it in the shade if it's just parked ?"
Most my gear went outdoor ,13 moms and 3 or 4 new strains being sexed, a few club cuts too.
starting over can be such a pain, but thats what a lot of us are doing after the "spring madness 06" quite a few of us shut down and moved ops to save ourselves some paranoia. I just found the place i was looking for and we took it while we could. the wolf/dogs love it here to the max. They get so happy and bump their noses up to my chin while im watering, roll around and damn near knock me over. You know how wolves play with the "big daddy" wolf. They go rodent hunting while i tend my plants. Im trying to teach them to "check the trail boys" and they are getting it down fast.
They are bordercolliexaustrailain shepardX wolf. their mom was 97% pure and had to be outbred or the county wanted to take her away.
So my boys are almost half blood wolf. I love em to death.
anyways good to meet you joe, Glad we found our old crew here at CW again.... I missed the ambiance here more than anything...
I for one am very glad to be back.

[joe6pack]

Hi Skeets! How's the veggies coming along?



"spring madness 06"


Too F-in Funny - yes the spring madness of 06 was pretty tough on a lot of us. Luckily I was near harvest time so I cut and shut down for several weeks with only a few clones in a wick cloner to start back up with. It's a shame 'cause I would have liked to order a few new strains and start some seeds instead of just having a single strain to start with...

sounds like you have a nice pack of wolves there - smart animals they are I am sure you already know that though.

-joe

[joe6pack]

So I just wanted to follow up with the specifics of the odor control. I am using a CF Can 2600 Filter rated for 94 CFM, that cost $60 at my local hydro store. I use a dayton 134 CFM blower to suck air from the top left corner and blow it out the back through a 4"flange and then dryer hose to the can which is mounted to the rear.

Total odor control going on 8 months now and temps stay 3~5 degrees above ambient.

When i was using carbon filters from the pet store and a homemade setup the cost was $5.00 a week to chage the carbon and the backpressure was so bad temps ran 7~10 degrees above ambient.

-joe

edit - adding picture

[joe6pack]

howdy y'all what's new? ... :shh:

[Jake Blues]

looking good joe.looks like the plants like that cabinet

[marigyp]

Ere Joe grab the bubbler, it is loaded with some of my mango! I got the popcorn goin, how about extra butter and I melt down some caramel, and add some M&M peanuts and mix it altogether. I got a six pack each of Hires Rootbeer and Dr. Pepper. The rest of you all pull up a cushion enjoy the bong, goodies, and a ice cold soda. Oh I almost forgot, Bogey there is a RedBull in the fridge for ya, and get Artie a YooHoo while your at it.

I always enjoy watching Joe's cabinet shows, as it just goes to show what you can bend, fold, and mutilate to modify to your own use. I like grow shows where some of the older mechanical engineers, who got there degree in the school of hard knocks, use throw away items to make clever gadgets.

You all forgive Joe as he does grow some wicked ugually buds, but I would bet they would lay ya out. That sativa pheno NL/C99 is some of my favorite wake and bake smoke. Once again another fine installment on the continuing saga of Joe's Grow.

Somebody load the bubbler it is empty already. Stoned To The Bone!!

[joe6pack]

howdy jake, thanks for stopping by!

marigyp, here let me load that bubbler back up with a little of the oregon 90 from last round. hmm... now dont' that taste good?

kinda couchy which is alright as it is a rainy day here... where's my jimi hendrix?

rainy day, dream away, lay back and groove on rainy day....

[joe6pack]

Well here we are .... :(

[lucke]

lookin good there joe. i like the set up. hows the oregon 90, a friend got a pack & was wondering..

peace...lucke

[Joe King Park]

i too use Can filters
they rock
although i am tempted to try these new disposable budget versions here
www.growell.co.uk

now if only i could lay my hands on their new "Airforce" ventilation system, with power shunt technology
worth a looksee
JKP

[joe6pack]

Well here we are .... :(

[The Cannarchist]

You liar,you got a can of "fake Xmas spray on snow" and hit them hard.....

And you owe me a beer ,coz I spilt mine looking at that first shot!

Great job,as always,Joe.

Thanks for doing her proud.

[joe6pack]

oh tc :o :worthy:

here

:beer: :bong2: :beer: :bong2:

well that's two beers plus the two I had before I got here and a few bongs....
time for bed

this beers for you

[joe6pack]

Well here we are .... :(

[Joe King Park]

Hey Joe
18 months life expectancy before refilling
but my refilling station is some 250 miles away!

i think i have an inspirational image for you; grow cabinet, DWC, etc
6 Kilos every two months !!

peace
Joe

[Joe King Park]

p.s ; i would'nt like to carry one of the two carbon filters pictured

enjoy the slide show !! www.grow-go.nl

Joe ,no pack , lol

[tiedye420]

Nice shots joe
Been thinking of getting a canon, your an inspiration.....
Come on over and get some macro's of this outdoor sour diesel, ECSD cut only that is.....I saw a couple ambers this morning with a mag. glass.
So if you were to be here in like ten days, we could get some killa macros.....
I sure could use the help hauling dirt up the hill too. L.O.L.

[lucke]

hey jkp - yeah I love the can filter, it really kicks ass, I would never go back. I'll check out the link, but for me I think I'll stay with them as I can get them sorta locally for cash and carry.

hey lucke - I should tell you this is my CW handle, you probably remember me better as sug**ear from reef's site. So how you been? how'd the whole house thing work out?

anyways I hope you are safe and well and enjoying some of that bluethunder!

So yeah I like the Oregon 90 - very strong indica buds with nice old school flavors. Only issue as you may have seen is hermies. This clone I have going here on my second round really wasn't too bad - I got 3 mature seeds from the whole plant and that's it - no immature seeds at all, just good buds. We'll see how this round turns out hermie wise. Either way I am going to give it another round to make a cross with reef's burmese pure. I expect the result to be something special :D and I think any hermie issues will be corrected in the f1.



i thought that was you but i didnt know for sure! good to see you stilll going. it feels good to be a homeowner, but it put a hurtting on my savings,LOL. hopefully be back up by winter, got a lil outside action goin though to cure the no grow withdrawls,LOL....good to see ya bro..lucke

[joe6pack]

hey guys thanks for stopping by and the kind words.

tiedye420 - yeah this camera was around $110 and it really does take a nice picture. Wish I was there too, to take a few super macros and a cut of that ECSD back to my cabinet with me, after of course I help you haul some dirt and trim the ECSD when it comes down.

Lucke - well congradulations on home ownership! it can be very hard at first on the finances but in short time you will have built equity and be in a much better financial position overall. Glad to hear you're still up and growing too. I've been itching to maybe do an outside run but it would be a whole new game to me and I don't want to be doing both indoor and outdoor at the same time. Good to see you too bro :pimp: :rasta:

JKP - yeah that reminds me of an old OG thread, this guy had something like 22 x 600 watters cool tubed inline over big beds full of soil with irigation tubes built in. It was of course in A-damn and was a total SOG grow and was just f-in nuts to watch :P

-joe

[marigyp]

Joe those are some very stunning macro shots. Real nice work my friend. I always enjoy your cabinet grows.

[The Cannarchist]

And the man drinks Guinness to boot!

Your all class ,Joe!:smoke3:

[joe6pack]

Hey TC and marigyp thank you for the kind words :o :o

Here's a couple of pics from last night I think... these are full plant shots.

1st two are top shots of my scrog screens. I really tried to just have between 8-12 bud sites on each screen to get a fewer bigger/denser buds. Last grow with this strain it got out of hand and the result was more buds of lower size/density, which was a big disappointment. I'm also glad to see that the less crowed screen has kept the plant from crowding itself. This was also an issue last grow round as the strain tends to send up fan leaves at a 45 degree angle when crowded. These leaves grow up above the bud and shade the bud sites as well getting too darned close to lamp in my cabinet. So as a note to anyone else growing or considering growing the Oregon90 I would suggest pruning and giving it enough room to avoid crowding.

Since I did not top these plants there is a main growing tip which as you can see in this third shot was trained horizontally across the screen. It has been my experience that excellent results can be achieved in SCROG by not topping and instead training. The lower portions of the cola grow up as mini cola's and the whole thing becomes a mass of bud that is really nice. I'm sure I'll end up cutting up the screen to get these buds out. Oh well when you use super simple scrog the cost is not a concern as each screen is pretty much free :D

Last picture is just an angled profile shot to show one of the screens.

-joe

[marigyp]

Joe knows scrog! Due to the quality of the smoke he grows his imagination soars when it comes to jury rigging. I bow deeply to Mr. McGiver!

[Joe King Park]

Joe6pack; sounds very much like a Positronic style grow technique
i believe the same system is being used at the hashish museum in Amsterdam
either there or the Cannabis College
i have always been intrigued by scrogging
but i have adopted a bending technique which creates a large canopy
i am interested in doing a proper Hydro/Scrog soon , so i'll keep you in mind, thats if you don't mind, in sharing some of your wisdom
probable strain- Romulan X sensi Star, 2 square meters, 1200 watts, NFT/aero
Peace
Joe no pack

[lucke]

nice pics homie, i'm curious to see if your yeild will be the same or more going with less sights. I know all to well about overfull screens, they end up fighting each other & you could be on to something. I think it all depends on strain too, it takes a few runs to get there needs down.
I think your right about the no topping to, one of my bt's would need to be topped a s-load to branch out, i got sick of it so i let it grow a lil taller and trained it almst 360 around the screen, i got a real good yeild off her.
keep up the good work...weres the macros?
peace....lucke

[joe6pack]

JKP ask any questions you want about SCROG, I will try to answer. Lucke is also pretty scrog skilled, I'm sure he'll give his input too. Both he and I practice the super simple scrog documented by bigfatj on Oh Gee :enough: It is a modular scrog made from simple materials that is attached to the planter or lid of DWC bucket.

I guess that's the first lesson of scrog as Lucke said, nothing can prepare you for scrog as well as prior experience with the same strain in the same growing medium/environement. This will infleunce how big your plants are when you flip to 12/12 and whether you top the plant or not. I would recommend starting with a strain you already know and stay with the medium you usually grow it in, that way you can just think about how much screen will be filled if you train that stretch horizontally along the screen.

It's also amazing sometimes that a plant from seed that is vegged for 1 month or so will grow one way in scrog and then from clone it may be completely different.

Since I grow in DWC I expect lots of side growth and branching from even indica dominant strains. In soil you would expect less of this with the same strain.

So for this grow I went with two really small clones per screen and I left them un-topped. Once they hit the screen I trained them horizontally across the screen, ying yang like.

I've done a similar grow with one clone per screen with a few more days veg time and I was very happy with the results. It was burmese pure and nl99 and there were less bud sites on the screen. I left the topped the burmese and I left the nl99 untopped and they both did very well. the density was really nice and I found the yield to be comparable to other harvests.

It's funny though my first grow in this cabinet I think I had the most issues and I also think I harvested the most - begginners luck :D

Anyways so I was looking at the buds and darned if I didn't think it was day 49 of flower. I pulled out the 10x scope and saw mostly clear with a few cloudy, figured another week and she'd be mostly cloudy some amber just like I like her ;) so when I refilled the buckets it was with ph adjusted water for the final week flush.

Then I checked the calender and it's only day 42 of flower. So I guess I'll have to add nutrients tomorrow :rolleyes:

So here's a few pics... and macros for Lucke

first a bud i think looks like some kinda dolphin :high:

and a little celestial lighting picture of a scrog canapoy

next another bud shot

and a little closer on the same bud :D

[joe6pack]

JKP,

Sorry I just re-read your post. Your thinking Scrog in a NFT/Aero system?

I really don't know much about NFT/Aero systems. But I can imagine you could have one big screen for the whole unit I've seen this done with ebb and flow and good results were achieved with 6 plants on a 4x8 table under a 600watter.

[lucke]

man those macros joe:drool: those oregons got some serious trich development THICK:good: i'm goin to have to get a cut when my homie pops his beans. which phenos the best? hows the smoke, you grew these out a while back didnt you?
thanks for the info....peace....lucke

[The Cannarchist]

Feel free to go to town on using the O90 in your breeding project Joe,that's why she's here.

[Joe King Park]

Joe 6
hi
like these DWC lids here ?
i hear the term less plants are needed for scrog
i've also included an image of how i used to train my plants, by bending them
kind of a scrog principle without the screen , lol
thanks
Joe K

[joe6pack]

hey lucke i tried a lower bud yeesterday and it was really tasty, very grapefruit. from seed i had 2 female phenos. one was more squat and took longer to show and wasn't kept. the other was more vigorous and showed sooner . that is the one you see here. i really don't have enough room to finish more than one pheno, so i can't tell you what the others would be like. i guess it goes without saying that you should avoid sexually confused (slow to show) ones as the hermie potential would only be higher.

TC, cool. i've got 2 burmese pure seedlings going, hopefully one will be a male :)

JKP cool pic yeah i think people see scrog as a less plant alternative to sog.

[joe6pack]

Here's some pics, day 45 of 12/12. I think they're looking pretty done, don't you?

Oh hey JKP I wanted to add, training by bending and tying to achieve an even canopy is also known as Low Stress Training (LST). This is the other method of getting more bud sites in the light with less plants.

One of the things about the super simple scrog method I use is that you have a modular system where each plant has it's own screen allowing for perpetual harvest or just the growing of two different strains, say one with a 7~8 week flower time and the other with a 9~10 week flower time.

-joe

[marigyp]

Very very impressive my friend. Looks like ya got it goin again. Really am enjoying "Joe's Show".

[marigyp]

I really am enjoying the "Joe Show". How are your hermie issues this time around? How long will you let them go, 70 days?

[simple]

tastey looking nugets very nice grow Joe6Pack enjoyed it , thanks

be well

simple

[joe6pack]

I really am enjoying the "Joe Show". How are your hermie issues this time around? How long will you let them go, 70 days?

Thanks mari, glad I could take you along for the ride ;)

so... nothing I can call full-blown hermie wise - no male flowers and no shriveling calyx's revealing seeds beneath so far. but then again I'm not the best at spotting. The lower bud I took the otherday showed absolutely no signs of seeds, not even pre-seeds, just swollen calyx and crystal coating. I have been a bit concerned by the early changing of the pistals to orange. I was concerned this was a sign of polination by some un-seen balls but I really am not seeing any seeds forming. I'll no for sure when I chop and dry.

70 days - :D :D - I don't think so! she's coming down like Tuesday which will be around 51 days. This is for a couple of reasons;

1. I think they'll be ready - pistals have turned, calyx's are swollen, and trich's were showing mostly cloudy at day 47, I expect by day 51 there will be some amber, which is just how i like her.

2. I need the space to start another cycle to finish before I go on my annual camping trip.

I should also let you know I did cut back hours to 11 light/13 dark for the first week of flower and then again in the past 5 days they've been also getting 11/13. Pure h2o flush also began 7 days ago.

hey simple, thanks for the kind words - just wait next grow will have a couple of strains...

-joe

[joe6pack]

Well no sooner did I say that I wasn't seeing seeds than I started to find some :(

It appears that at least some portion of the buds have mature seeds in them. Oh well not the end of the world just a little less yield and a little more work when it's time to smoke.

[Agent-Smith]

Hey there Joe....looking good my man! I noticed in some earlier pics there were seeds, I guess you didn't see them, oh well, no biggie! :teeth: :joint3:

[Agent-Smith]

BTW.....I got a dresser (59"Lx15"Wx24"H) That I've been looking to convert for the longest time! Your grow is really tempting me to do it now! :teeth:

[joe6pack]

full cab shots

bucket profile shots

bucket 1

bucket 2

[joe6pack]

macro 1

macro 2

macro 3 she's looks to be a red head for sure in this pic :D

macro 4 is my favorite for sure upside down but right side up - we'll get to that next

[joe6pack]

buds buds and more buds to chop

I trimmed quiet a bit of sugar leaf that will be getting run in my 1 gallon bubble bags

[joe6pack]

relax a little with some scissor hash and a quick dried bud from today.

goodnight :)

[joe6pack]

yeah :fro: :rasta2: :rasta: for the roots mon

[joe6pack]

BTW.....I got a dresser (59"Lx15"Wx24"H) That I've been looking to convert for the longest time! Your grow is really tempting me to do it now! :teeth:

Hey man cool. let me know if you have questions. would you use it for veg or for flower too?

-joe

[lucke]

lookin good brotha!! that is one hell of a root mass!! i expect the full, yeild & smoke report soon,LOL. i wonder how those oregons would do outside, wondering if thats why people have had hermi probs inside?
dammn good job as ussual!!
peace.....lucke

[Agent-Smith]

Hey man cool. let me know if you have questions. would you use it for veg or for flower too?

-joe

Thinking about splitting it....1 1/2 feet for mom/clone 3 1/2 feet for flower. We'll see.

[joe6pack]

Well I tried the TGA subcool hand stir method of bubble instead of using the electric mixer and let me say I have found my new method for sure. I ran half the trim from fresh frozen from last night's chopping session, in volume it was a mostly filled quart zip lock bag of crystally leaves.

The yield from the 74 micron bag was the best I've gotten and it is a real nice light tan color :D

Agent Smith - I started out thinking I'd put a veg chamber in my cab but ended up scrapping the idea and I built a little veg chamber in a $12 walmart cabinet.

-joe

[Agent-Smith]

After thinking about it...I can fill the cab with clones from my grow tunnel and Triiniity can get a start on growing for herself in the cab. :teeth:

[joe6pack]

agent smith,

have you considered floro tubes in that dresser? I think a 4 foot 6 lamp high output t-5 would be the ideal solution for that space.

so i was looking back at the buds and macros and noticed what i think to be some purpleing of the buds as can be seen in this pic

http://www.cannabis-world.org/cw/attachment.php?attachmentid=1421&d=1149048988

this was following a few chilly nights with the low temp of 55 right before harvest.

is this what i'm seeing or is this a nutrient deficiency or worse?

anyways

lucke - yeah i think oregon90 would do killer outside - from what i hear it was more of an outside strain to begin with. Inside conditions certainly could be the cause of hermie.

[Agent-Smith]

yeah I think flouros would be easiest for that thing with the height restrictions.

[joe6pack]

Well after 8 days of being hung dry the stems were breaking with a snap so I took did my final clipping of the buds off the stems mostly. I don't keep a scale but I am guessing somewhere around 2 oz. based upon volume in jars and prior harvests I weighed. The buds are very dense and I have zero popcorn on this grow :) so it could be more like 2.5 oz :D either way I'm happy as I'll have plenty of this strong herb for the summer.

The hermie issue did produce some seeds. on an average 2 inch bud I find 1 seed so it's not that bad at all.

Here's some pictures.

did another run in the bubble bags tonight of the rest of the trim too.

[joe6pack]

TC - the guiness was for you :beer:


:kind: :bong2: :rollj:

[lucke]

lookin good brotha!! what are you gonna run next?

[joe6pack]

lucke i have an oregon90 clone a burmese pure seedling and a woodhorse trainwreck seedling going at the moment. the seedlings are 3 or 4 weeks old now and are statring 12/12

i think the burmese is male which is good as he'll be crossed to the oregon90. i'm hoping to fck this sexually confused oregon90 straight with a burmese stud.

hopefully the trainwreck will be a she. i really want some sativa nugs in the next round.

joe

[marigyp]

Damned dude you oughta try growing a varietal that has some trikes on it. Those really are some very uogally buds. Those buds are so uogally you probably have to sneak up on the jar. You don't want to smoke that bubble either as it looks like it might be detrimental to your mental. :D

I thought Oregon90 is a sativa?

[joe6pack]

I thought Oregon90 is a sativa?
huh?

it's definitely indica

[The Cannarchist]

I'm interested to see if those seeds are S1's Joe.

[joe6pack]

hey TC - I guess they are S1s --- hmmm

So here we are 11 days into 12/12 again. Three plants from left to right

Burmese pure seedling – 3 weeks veg prior to flip
Woodhorse Trainwreck seedling – 3 weeks veg prior to flip
Oregon90 clone – a few weeks reveg time and some topping

So the burmese pure seedling has shown itself positively to be a male as seen in this next pic.

I plan to pollinate the oregon90 clone with this Burmese pure. Remembering my old Indoor MJ Horticulture book I was thinking the following;

First I would trim all but this top node off from the plant.
Then as soon as the pods look ready to burst I will chop the plant and hang upside down inside a plastic bag to catch the pollen.

I’m thinking the pollen from these few little sacs will be more than enough to pollinate a few buds on the oregon90.

Does this sound like the correct technique? I’ve never tried this before so I’m really hoping for input from those who know.

This evening I also decided to put the oregon90 into the 2 gallon bucket it will finish in. I also put on a scrog screen and bended her to my will ;)

As you can see in this last pic.

Final shot is the TW seedling and what I believe to be the first signs of female flowers : )

[joe6pack]

come on nobody has any input on pollen collection techniques to share?

[marigyp]

High Joe! Well I just finished doing a run of an IBL called Feppo for Kevdaddy that the only available seeds were getting very old and hard to germinate. Out of ten seeds I only got three plants one female and two males. This was mostly an outdoor grow because I do not want pollen in my bloom room. Once all the plants were ready, pollen sacks beginning to open and momma's flowers maturing at three weeks of bloom, things were done very simply. Each morning I would go out and lightly shake the males against the female. You could see the yellow pollen like dust settling on the flowers. Simple yes but very effective as I now have 70 plus seeds of Feppo in a container drying. A preliminary germination test of two dark ass seeds and two very light colored seeds gave me 100% germination in less than twenty-four hours. The seeds were transferred from the glass of water to soil to see if they actually make plants.

In the past I have collected pollen by cutting the male at peak pollen production and hanging them upside down in a plastic bag to collect the pollen. Be sure to store the pollen in a fridge. When the female was ready I simply put the bag over her head and shook well. Presto seeds galore. Speaking of putting a bag over her head, your buds are still freakin uogally!

I was thinking about building a sterlite tub grow box using two 24" four bulb T-5 set ups. The tub is 28" wide by 36" long so I know I can fit two of these T-5's in there. I built one of these to clone in and it does very well for the first month of vegging as it causes very close node development. I have never gone to full harvest in the box because I have HID in both the veg room and bloom room. Do you think this med patient would get any kind of descent bud development with this setup?

[joe6pack]

hey mari,

thanks for the input on breeding. I've separated the male and put him in another cabinet with 12/12 lighting and a paper plate around the stem to catch any early pollen. I plan to cut him when the pods are just ripe and hang upside down with a bag over it's head like you suggest. I think I'll just "paint" a few buds with the resulting pollen instead of sticking the plant in the bag.

On the sterilite grow tub... a couple of thoughts,

1. Light proofing a steri tub is hard. This is not a problem for veg but when you get to flower it will be hard to avoid light leaking through the sterilite container and causing issues.

2. I think using (2) four bulb t-5 fixtures will produce some decent buddage easily as long as either scrog or SOG is employed. How many watts would that be?

3. How tall (deep) is the steri? most of the time I have seen people stack one upside down on top of the other - containers and soil/hydro buckets in go in the bottom and lights in the top.

I think it can be done and it will produce good buds if done right.

[LateShaftNBaggins]

Great work Joe. A fellow breeder taught me a similar technique for extracting pollen from the males. He would do an inital shake like you did, and then clip off the remaining pollen sacs and shake them over a screen to try and salvage a little more. He said he managed to get about 50% more sometimes, so I guess it was worth it.

Mari - I would stray from the sterilite containers, for the exact reason joe said; lightproofing. Cabinents are cheap and from what I've been reading in this thread someone will probably build you one for a six pack of guiness.


Again, nice work Joe
LSnB

[joe6pack]

LSnB, thanks for the kind words and the tip on pollen collection.

and here we are.... about 19 days into 12/12 and here's the burmese stud, or what's left of him, under 12/12 in the veg cabinet. I'm just planning on harvesting this one cluster of male flowers, I'm hoping it will be enough to make a bunch o'seeds.

Here's the flower cabinet.

here's the awaiting lady, oregon90, putting on weight already :D

-joe

[tj_142]

Hey Joe,
here is one method of pollen collection I used, I just cut off a male flowering branch, could be center cola but does not have to. I set the branch in glass of water then place glass on wax paper, the limb hangs over wax paper. I collected in second bathroom, but later used old 10 gal aquarium to avoid pollen contamination.
I watch it as pods open and tap the the branch, pollen falls on wax paper. Remove glass, fold paper and it should slide off into vial, add to buds, let set for 30-40 minutes then mist plant.
A coiple stoner pit falls, remember completly dry glass before sitting on wax paper, remember to turn off fans in grow area before trying to apply pollen to lower branch,

[joe6pack]

hey tj_142 - that's a great tip - I just so happen to have some wax paper, a roaster pan, and a quiet breeze free second bathroom I can stick him in to drop the pollen.

Do you think the sacs are ready enough that I can cut the plant and stick it in water now? or should I wait a few more days?

[Agent-Smith]

Hey Joe....got a pick of your exhaust setup?

[simple]

Joe you do beautiful work keeps those lovely pics a comin

be well

simple

[joe6pack]

hey guys it's been a while since I posted an update so here it is.

My burmese male was chopped when first pods popped and has been hanging quietly over a glass dish to catch pollen. The first few pods' pollen has already been distributed to a branch of the oregon90 and more will be going to the same branch soon. I'm not trying to produce a ton of seeds so only one branch is being pollinated. I'm hoping for around 40 seeds, just enough for me (10~20) and enough to share to a very few folks who already know who they are ;)

The oregon90 is getting fat and crystally already at day 28. I think I will have to keep a clone of this for a while. I got two cuts rooting right now. One to keep and if the other roots it may, and I say may find it's way outdoors. I'm nearly the same latitude as Oregon so I imagine she'll do well outdoors. From what I remember from CW the story was that the Oregon growers of this strain planted July 4th for a October 4th harvest, hence the 90 days figure. I think I could maybe get it into the ground around July 10th or so if it's well rooted.

It's just a new environment for me. If I go there it will be a mostly plant and forget thing. Tips are appreciated.

And the other plant a trainwreck seedling (woodhorse seeds) is also doing very well. really starting to bud strongly and showing some sticklyness already :D

Before anyone jumps in and tells me that trainwreck is clone only, I KNOW THAT, these are seeds that are being sold as trainwreck and I am calling them as such because that was what they were sold as. I will not and do not consider this to be the "real" trainwreck either.

Picks probably next week, sorry :( camera is too busy doing other things this weekend.

-joe

[marigyp]

Oh you bad person you! You took all the fun out of the barage of Crap you were gonna get over the Trainwreck! A rose is a rose and all that. I understand from more than one post that Jojo's s1 trainwreck rock. Haven't tried it myself though.

Best-O-Luck and a Pot-O-Honey oil for the bear!

[lucke]

cant wait to see some pics homie!! hopefully that burmese will take the nanner tedencies out of it & should be a good cross, gotta have a lil sativa in her!!
im interested to see the trainwreck,ive seen & had the cali version before, wondering how meds compares cuz ive been thinking bout trying some.
id defenatly try to find a spot to put 1 of those O90s outside, rememder its a weed & grew by itself long before man started screwing with it. just set it & forget it like the comercial,LOL

peace....lucke

[joe6pack]

Howdy y'all

here's some pics. The pollination is complete. I tried to cut the burmese and stick it in a glass of water to open the rest of the pods but he just wilted immediately and no more pods opened. So as much as I wanted to collect some pollen for later use to make some f2's when I get a burmese female going I will not be able to do that :(

It does appear that the branch I pollinated is showing signs of fertilization as seen in this picture.

I see a good bunch of pistals turning n this one branch and even a few on neighboring branches as I did not spray down this branch after pollination. which is just fine to have a few extras.

So hmm that's about it -- a little bud porn too. I really love the early frost that this oregon90 produces :D

got the trainwreck going too - really vigorous lots of side shoots. I had to prune and train heavy on that one. she's starting to get sticky too.

Agent-smith I owe you an exhaust picture I will try to get it done tonight. sorry for delay.

-joe

[Agent-Smith]

no problem buddy....no hurries......looking good there!

[joe6pack]

hey thanks a-s

I'll get those pics up in a little bit then..

here's a few from Day 35 of flower. first is of the oregon90 scrog. I'm letting a few branches on the outside of the screen grow straight up as they're not too close to the lamp to get burned. This way they get more light than if they were on level with the screen but since they're at the edge they don't shade anyone else.

next pic is of the seeded bud. Looks like I did pretty well and I will be pullingg out a few oregon90 x burmese pure seeds in short order :)

[joe6pack]

Howdy y'all

here's the day 38 picture of the top of the seed branch. as you can see the dirty deed has been done and the pollen took well and we have seeds visibly developing, with another three weeks I think these should be mature.

another pic from behind show the rest of the branch also developing seeds. O

The rest of the buds on the oregon90 are coming along nicely as well w/o seeds of course.

[joe6pack]

Hey Joe....got a pick of your exhaust setup?
Ok if you look back to page one of this thread you'll see the blower is mounted directly to the back of the cab on the two sides. It blows out a rectangular hole the size of the output of the blower. (with a layer of weather stripping to stop sound btw [edit:and I used weather stripping around the flange too you just screw right through it and it gives a nice tight fit compressing as you tighten the screws. }).

The filter was $60 or so USD plus I spent another $10 for a flange.

I mounted the flange to the back of the cab where the fan exhaust is. here's a pic. here's the scrubber - i used some garage hooks to support it on the back of the cabinet.

I used plain dryer vent stuff but I later found it was leaking some light so I ended up rapping it in that astrofoil shit and aluminum duct tape. To avoid this issue I think it would be best to buy the stuff at the hydro store that is light proof or buy insulated ducting which will be quieter and light proof.

-joe

[marigyp]

She sure is looking sweet my friend. Can't wait to see the pics as she gets uaguallier and uagullier! :adore:

[joe6pack]

marigyp thanks for the kind words. yeah she is a really uagully girl. I'd kick her out of the grow room but she's so darned uagully I think she'd come back to haunt me...

thanks buddy!

[joe6pack]

Hello y'all here's some day 41 buds shots and macros - hope you like!

let's see first 3 are of the oregon90 - coming along well - she just smells so strong - skunky like roadkill but with a sweet dankness too - hard to describe except to say it smells like what pot should smell like :D

Last one is of the "trainwreck" I have - she's starting to frost up nicely - typical sativa structure the inner bud bracts are silver with trichs and now the trichs are moving out from the buds on the leaves. trichs are much small sativa type as compared to the oregon90 - not much odor here - distinctly lemony when rubbed. Likes lots of nutrients - I'm giving her nearly 1000ppm of flower and she's just fine.

[joe6pack]

and a couple more pictures.... umm umm yummy

[marigyp]

Lovely just lovely fugly plants there. Lot sugar on those O-90! How is the hermie problem with them coming? I am thinking about doing one outside in the ground.

[lucke]

lookin good homie! those trainwrecks are looking good too. how are they workin in the scrog? cant wait to here the smoke report on them! that O90 & burmese i bets gonna be soooo good!

peace...lucke

[joe6pack]

Marigyp - thanks for your kind words - the hermie issue is still there - it sucks I never see the actual male parts but I noticed the other day some beaners in lower buds that I'm pretty sure I didn't intentionally pollinate. From the last grow I am finding that nearly the whole crop is sensimilia and the few seeds I find are mature - the good part is I don't see any immature seeds inside buds as these are what can kill a good crop by harshing the smoke.

I think my inability to spot the male flowers is because of the scrog.

I think if you were to grow it outside in the ground in a much more stress free environment she might stay purely a she. Also if grown x-mas tree style you probably will notice the male flowers, pinch, and spray with water to avoid any issues.

So yeah mari - go for it if you can grow outside give it a shot - she's some real strong medicine.

Lucke - thanks buddy - the trainwreck really started to look better this past week - I'm hoping for a strong finish from this we'll see. She clones incredibly easy too which is nice. I took a clone of her and two of the Oregon90s - she showed roots first and then one of the oregon90s died - the other oregon 90 clone eventually rooted but it still hasn't really started growing again - whereas the trainwreck clone is on it's third new set of leaves.

Ah yes the Oregon90 x Burmese Pure seeds are coming along well - I hope I get a bunch - still too early to tell exactly how many. I'm obviously just a closet hack breeder but I have high hopes for this cross of two IBLs of disimilar origins. Oregon90 is the strongest strain I have and the burmese is the best tasting strain I'm hoping the result gets some of both!

[marigyp]

No sweat Joe, Skeeter was a closet hack and developed the SouthernCross! Some of the best tasting and potent berry pot I have smoked. The same high as the NL/C99 but more electric. You know the raised hairs on the back of the neck with that tingle running up and down your spine. :kind:

[Agent-Smith]

Haha, sorry joe....didn't see the pics cause I was on vacation. :D Very nice :teeth:

[joe6pack]

Just in case anyone was wondering what a plant in dwc looks like when the res goes dry...

darnit

I went away for the wekend and I here's the oregon90 clone and the trainwreck clone - I don't think they'll make it :(

looks like this will be my last grow of the oregon 90 as they're isn't much left to clone - she's probably coming down early next week and there are no little shoots - she's just a woody bud covered bitch now :bat:

good thing I bread her when I did :sigh: :)

the tw had a shoot that was perfect for clonign and I think I'll be able to save that strain for the next grow.

-joe

[Agent-Smith]

oh man, that sucks. If you need something, I'm a PM away. :teeth:

[marigyp]

Damned dude that is very unfortunate to lose such a nice grow. I know how you feel as I am sure many of us have had to suffer the loss as well.

[joe6pack]

hey guys thanks for the sympathy... Marigyp I did not lose the whole grow - the big plants are just A-OK fine and will be harvested in the coming week or two. I just lost the mom's for the oregon90 and the trainwreck - the trainwreck I think I can get going again but I'm afraid the oregon90 is gone for good.

which is ok - I don't think I was going to grow it again soon so it probably would have got tossed anyways.

-joe

[tj_142]

looks like this will be my last grow of the oregon 90 as they're isn't much left to clone - she's probably coming down early next week and there are no little shoots

Joe, reveg it, it will take about 30days, but you save the plant, its worth the effort if you like that pheno

[joe6pack]

tj_142 - I've not had good luck reveging dwc plants before - too many roots and not enough plant - root rot sets in before plant starts to grow again. plus I've not got the room to reveg her.

oh well I've still get a couple oz of the strain and I'm looking forward to growing out the offspring next grow ( crossed her to burmese )

so just to asure marigyp that I have not lost all those ougaouly buds he likes to curse about - here's the two plants in front of the cabinet -

trainwreck on left oregon90 on right day 53 I think

here you see the frontside of both plants - when crammed back in there they form a stadium around the bulb. I have had some light bleaching on two buds on the trainwreck and I just tied the worst effected bud back to get it a little further from the bulb.

Here's a pic with them in the cabinet

and a close up :)

[joe6pack]

howdy y'all

a couple of pics of the TW (train/tucker wreck)

gonna chop real soon

also a full plant pic of the oregon90 - She'll be coming down in another few days with some real couchy effects - I'm really going to miss growing her :( but I think her offspring will help me to move on ;)

The oregon90 x burmese pure seeds are looking really nice and mature with tiger stripes too

[Joe King Park]

very nice looking plants you have there
if you wanted to reveg your plants in a bubbler, i suggest you introduce a product such as House and Garden Root Exeleratur; expensive , but a powerful bunch of live and beneficial microbes which will consume all dead tissue at an alarming rate, whilst also promoting new healthy white roots
personally i have been sold on a very similar product called Cannazym for a few years now ( with the exception of wasting my money on Advanced nutes Sensizyme which i was not impressed with; be wary of companies with such names as Big Bud, Sweetleaf, Monkey Juice and Hammerhead PK
not to mention their "soap in a bottle "...... "Wet Betty", lol

By using live enzymes and trimming back the roots a little, and if you can go to the luxury of having a Vectron UV sterilisor in your top up tank, then you could reveg no problem

Cannazym and TLC also work when in a pinch
JKP

[joe6pack]

Hello y'all

Thanks JKP for the reveggin tips but I'm gonna let her go with out trying to resitate (sp?).

So harvest day has come and it looks to be a bumper crop :) First I ran out of room in the cabinet (where I usually dry for first few days so odor is under control) after the trainwreck/tuckerwreck was cut - she was much bigger than I think I expected and dang is she sticky - nice scissor has was enjoyed :smoke:
then I ran out of clothespins when I was trimming the oregon90

So I'm pretty happy right now. And a bud I cut last week that was seeded with burmese pure pollen yielded 26 nice dark mature tiger striped seeds. And I have the main branch that was pollenated yet to go - so I should have plenty of this cross.

I've been doing some research and asking around and from what I understand the outcome of this cross as it relates to the hermie tendency should be good. If the hermie gene is a dominant one then the 1/2 of the offspring will display hermie tendencies. If the hermie gene is a recessive one then 100% of offspring should be hermie free - and F2 generation would have 1/4 hermie.

I think from the story I know of the oregon90's origins that it is most likely a recessive gene that came out during successive inbreeding. I'm hoping maybe some one can weigh in here ?!? with their expereince with the oregon90

anyways on to the pics...

-joe

[Agent-Smith]

:drool:

[simple]

Joe6pack you do good work nice job . congrats on a fine harvest looks damn tastey

be well

simple

[joe6pack]

thanks simple and a-s !

here's the last pic of the oregon90 hanging up - as I said I only had room in tha cab for the trainwreck, the oregon90 is handing in the bat-troom



and some oregon90 x burmese pure seeds - these were falling out of the buds when I harvested - nice and mature - still a bunch more in the buds

-joe

[marigyp]

I know I am supposed to say something derogatory about your buds as usual, but I just can't! Those are some really nice looking buds my friend. Truelly you are becoming a very skilled grower. I just love the crystal production on the trainwreck.

In the future though do not expect compliments!:wagass:

[joe6pack]

well marigyp thank you, I think...

yeah the trainwreck really did come on strong in the end - she's my new favorite :) the buzz is very strong - at least as strong as the NLxC99 sativa pheno - in fact I'd say it is stronger :shocked:

-joe

[Space Toker]

damn, fine-looking bud and attainable too! I like the compact discreetness and great odor control as well, for those of us who may not have big homes in the wilderness that could come in handy! For curiosity sake what similar setup would you build for a 400W lamp? Well, I am planning but I hope to be doing a whole lot more than that soon. I will have sweet and maybe wet dreams! :) OK PEACE

[bbillysbob420]

Beautiful setup joe, my buddy has a cabinet about that size. i was wondering if there was any good links here that could help me with a hydro setup for a little setup like that or a thread to answer all the little questions like pH levels, lighting schedules, chemicals to use/when/ & how much to use, how to determine sexes. sorry to get off topic but this would really help me out if you could link me to beginner hydro growing tips.

[Agent-Smith]

look in the "hydro" section. That's where I would look :horse:

[joe6pack]

damn, fine-looking bud and attainable too! I like the compact discreetness and great odor control as well, for those of us who may not have big homes in the wilderness that could come in handy! For curiosity sake what similar setup would you build for a 400W lamp? Well, I am planning but I hope to be doing a whole lot more than that soon. I will have sweet and maybe wet dreams! :) OK PEACE

a c-22 would work well with a 400 watter. or a c-25. both are available at homedepot and are wardrobe height - 6 feet. the c-25 is 21 inches deep and 30 wide. the c-22 is even bigger. both could easily be setup with odor control and what not and will produce well with a 400 watter.


bbillysbob420 check the hydro section. i use dwc which is just a bucket and an airstone with airpump. i keep ph around 5.2 - 5.4 and nutrients around 750 ppm you need to use hydro nutrients from a hydro store. i like general hydros floranova which is organic based.

[Space Toker]

oh yeah the c-22 or c-25's, thanks for the reminder! PEACE

[bbillysbob420]

Now that is an amazing setup. i was just wondering how you set up your hydro system... wondering if you could take some pics or explain how it works. Im trying to setup up a nice system for a cabinet also.

[joe6pack]

high billysbob420 -
I grow DWC
I have a 60 gallon rated air pump that is outside the cabinet (and above the water level! you don't want your air pump siphoning when the power goes out). you can run (2) two gallon buckets off this one pump.
I run the air line into the cabinet to a little 4 way splitter.
from there I run black air lines to the buckets.
the buckets are 2 gallon buckets from home depot covered in aluminum foil tape.
the black airlines run to each of the two buckets through the lid and down to a metal T split.
I attach two short pieces of tubing and two airstones forming a T at the bottom of the bucket (the metal Ts help to weigh them down).
The lid has a whole cut for the plant and one for the airline.
The lid is also attached to the scrog. I use metal skewers as supports and the screen itself is the modular Super simple scrog design using coat hangers and sturdy tie

-joe

[joe6pack]

well howdy folks things are busy 'round here.

From left to right we have a wee little clone of the woodhorse trainwreck, two of the oregon90xburmese pure or ob1 for short, and then the bushy mom of woodhorse trainwreck. Turning the lights back to 12/12 tonight - seedlings are just over 2 weeks old and will take a little longer to go into full blown flower, but I wanna get im going now.

Mean while I am working on a bigger cabinet for these to go into.

-joe

[marigyp]

As usual they are looking very healthy. I would guess the O90/BP is front center and back center? Would you say the Trainwreck is more potent than the NL/C99?

[joe6pack]

mari - I think so - but I really should sit down and do a comparison side by side - when I can smoke again (early october after a piss test).

-joe

[joe6pack]

and here we are :wave: :(

[The Cannarchist]

Where are you Joe?

Whats happenibg?

[kevdaddy]

Looks like everyone left. Sorry buddy..... :(

[The Cannarchist]

I never give up Kev

[mre420]

Where are you Joe?

Whats happenibg?

Joe Six Pack (and the newer j6p) has moved on.

After more than 60 handles had been deleted, I stopped counting.

Most are at Planet Ganga, contributing to the site, and working to build a new home. As in February, PG has been most welcoming.

Allegedly, an "experiment" was conducted here. Clearly it was an uncontrolled experiment by one or more individuals without the understanding and precience to avoid causing the wreck you returned to.

Go kindly,
mre

[Green Supreme]

Dude if you refer to the member list you'll see J6P isn't quite as far as you think. Sorry, I'm sure you checked that before you spoke for him. Peace GS

[nuggdigger]

Right off the bat, Mre420, the one thing I find admireable about you is your willing to post behind your own handle. Of course, that's also the best way to commit handle suicide, ie. hang yourself.

Did you check the members list yet?https://www.cannabis-world.org/cw/member.php?u=891


The best results are based on actual facts,not on misconstrued dillusions. You have to stop trying to spread untruths, it really inhibits your handles' personality. B4, you stated in another thread, I was pb, cray, booberry was pb, and a buncha ficticious incarnations. You were so set on finding any kind of malicious evidence you visited other sites and did your own PI work, though it apperared you didn't learn anything from it. Do you really think this builds noble character? Are you set on self distruction? Still wondering what I personally did do offend you in the first place, since you attacked me. Don't let your blind rage impare your mental vision, lest you beconsumed from within. Feel free to PM me if you have a real problem with me. When you can handle your handle, we'll be here to help you into vertical horizons:)
peace

[mre420]

Dude if you refer to the member list you'll see J6P isn't quite as far as you think. Sorry, I'm sure you checked that before you spoke for him. Peace GS

GS - thanks for the correction. I saw the orig handle deleted and some of the pics, and his wave goodbye in post #124 and made an assumption.

j6p - sorry to speak for you. This was a great thread and you were an inspiration to move me along with some cabinetry work. I also have Oregon 90 and Burmese Pure beans, so was quite interested in your grow. Thanks.

Nuggdigger - appreciate your comments. First, I have no issue with you and apologize for offending you in the "Good-bye" thread where I stated you were Plantbuilder. I do not believe I had or have malicious intentions, was just trying to flesh out what was what. It worked, but throwing speculation for others to disprove wasn't a good choice in method. I make mistakes and write some things I may regret, but as in RL, I'm proud of who I am and what I've contributed over the years (was "mre" on OG circa 2001). Hopefully I'll be more deserving of respect from you in the coming years. Wish you the best with your vertical grows.

Given j6p is indeed active and well, will stop now and turn the thread back to Joe.

Go kindly,
mre