Jack the Ripper ( JCf1 X Space Queen)

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Hello old friends,
It dosn't seem like it's been all that long since I was right here but many things have changed. Since I last posted me and friends have developed some pretty cool gear.
While we were at it we had people all over the world grow out or gear and send us the results using this we built a huge data bank of the projects we have completed both past and current.

The first thread I saw when i joined was a thread on JC and it made me smile as I have always known people would love its mass resin and size once it was grown out.

I have always wanted to improve the flavor and speed of JC and after a few failed attemps we have something I am more than happy to have worked on and to take to both the Cannabis Cup and the Highlife cup ( Dutch distributor and grower). Our Uk distributor was pretty impressed and thing we have the taste and potency to win but I will have to learn the politics I am sure. I plan to stone the Pax we'll see if thats enough.

I want to show her intire story from start to finish and this make take abit so lets look at some JTR buds and Macro shots before we begain this journey.

I named this female Soylent Green :eek:

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Edit Uploads failed maybe later gang :(

[grasshopper]

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Now it really does seem like the same place :)

Thanks so much for that..

Sub

[BlueCelisWhite1]

Hey Sub

I have much respect for you bro. Your one of the hardest working guys in the bizz IMHO. Its always been my opinion that your strains have brought a whole new level of class to the show bro.

This opinion doesnt come from personal experience of growing your strains becuase I havnt had the luxury to do so as of yet but rather from the artistic qualitys with just about everything you and TGA do within your business.

I dont think Ive ever read a bad review about your gear on any site. they say pictures speak 1000 words and I have seen some pretty damn nice pictures of TGA strains and not all taken by TGA.

I give you guys a big thumbs up and appreciate your work and love you put into your merchandise!

Take Care

BCW

[c-ray]

sub to be honest certainly there are more noble contributions one can make to the cannabis community than winning a cup, that stuff is just food for the ego, for instance I'd love to see a thread on organic soil mixes from start to finish I know you got it in you..

[OneLegUp]

sub..

good to see ya... hope life is well...

My indoor (1st ever) went reasonably well using exclusively your genetics.. The only reason it was "reasonably well" was because of my screw ups...not your genetics..

Came away with nice smoke and very nice qty of oil...

Have the "neon skunk" going in the garden with 5 of Reeferman's goodies...for an early grow...then will add lemon freeze for the late summer...

by the way the germ rate was 10 for 10...on the neon

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uploads are working again

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C-ray I agree with you and I have spent my life teaching others what I know. I will get the How to threads up but this is still the slowest moving site online so It takes time as I dial up.
No matter how hard I work no matter how many thousand of seeds clones and bud we give away there will always be those wanting to be little what I do.

The Cup is a political mess and its not even a fair compitition but it the penical or what we do don't forget I do this legaly paying taxes and working now with district attornies in Cali. Winning a Cannabis cup makes alot of house payments :)



I will do that organic thread for you this week.

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Jacks Cleaner P1 X Space Queen

As good as JC bx was, I learned a lot in 6 years breeding and growing almost full time and I was confident I could find a better male using patterns to find the recessive drug traits. So instead of continuing a cube I wasn’t 100% satisfied with the outcross I decided to start again using two different lines to establish the best. JTR is the first outcross to be completed using a Spacequeen male; the second will be a Cindy99 outcross. The goal here is to establish the best possible outcross to cube back to JCf1. The cool part is the outcrosses are sometimes better than the parent strains, I feel this is the case with JTR. The Lemon tart of JC has combined with the candy mango flavor of the Spacequeen to create a resinous marvel. Maintaining JC’s heavy structure and potency the female dominated this cross with the exception of adding some sweet mango flavor and smoothing out JC’s harsh toke. I will be doing my best to enter this strain in the 2006 Cannabis Cup.

1. Phenotypes -Moderately stable with heavy Jacks Cleaner traits.
2. Height-Tall with long stretch/ Colas swell late
3. Yield-Medium-Heavy / Moderate trim work
4. Indoor/ Outdoor
5. Best way to grow- Topped and placed in bud early due to stretch.
6. Harvest Window_8-10 weeks
7. Sativa/ Indica 80/20
8. Hybrid-Pluton X Purple Haze X Lambsbread X NL X Jack Herer X Romulan X Cindy99BCGA
9. High type-Intense, trippy, visual, phase shifting, increased heart rate, heavy crash increased appetite, pain relief, paranoia
10. Lemon mango pine hash/ Taste like lemon hash
11. 100% Full melt extreme potency

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These pictures were taken with the Nikon 5400. Not bad huh? This is the first time we pollinated JC with Space dude and I loved these pics of exposed dark striped seeds. JTR seeds are massive almost like baby coconuts. The fact we got such a good outcross is just about knowledge since I made JCB years ago I have started at least a hundred strains if not more and even though I still am using a basic idea of outcrossing with a tasty less dominant male I Know the Space Queen is a much better choice and will improve the mom instead of water her down as with JCB.

Sub

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Notice how the Resin is so thick it curls the leaf inward almost creating a Venus Fly trap appearance? This is classic Space Queen and Jc traits so it comes from both parents. I cannot wait to taste make bubble again from this hybrid it was stellar combining lemons and mangos.

I want to show pictures from friends all over the planet!

These were not taken by me.

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Our Flagship strain is Vert easy to grow and although there are slight differences the cross is very stable and there is realy only 2 phenos.

Short and squat with mass resin and a slightly sweeter taste than JC.
A Taller JC dom pheno I call lemango.

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During this process we also selected males for our JC2 project. I will detail this later but we ended up choosing the SQ dom short male and we sure picked a winner. We used him in 3 of our new crosses.

OV X JTR ( Agent Orange)
A-13 X JTR ( The Third Dimension)
JCf1 X JTR JC2


Lets look at the final 2.

In the end we choose the SQ dominated male.
he had a cool split stem and that bothered me but it was not a mutation and is only passed on in a very small percentage. It makes an awesome short 2 headed bush. Something else strange JTR is famous for producing 2 plants from 1 seed. So far one dies and one lives but weve seen the two headed snake now in several grows.

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This is the tallest female and I had to bend her severely to keep her close to equal to the rest of the crop. Even the lower buds drip with resin and I am happy to report the mango lemon smell I was looking for I nailed it dead center.

Maturing much faster than JC was another hopeful goal and at 50 days I’d say we nailed that trait as well. All three females are alike with the exception of the height of this one female.

The trichome production is off the chart and she has the classic raised head on a tall stalk that’s so classic of JC. I feel this is the total sum of what I’ve learned doing this my intire adult life.

As I have indicated we will be entering this strain in the 2006 Cannabis Cup and if it’s a fair event I have no doubt this girl will place very high on the score cards.


I think the best news about this strain is there available now..We have a lot of cool things from tasty to pretty to sativas to crazy combos of berry and lemon but I’m taking this to the pot snobs party.

I think this will be the first pehno to be culled I love her taste but shes abit tall for my room and I prefer the Soylent Green pheno to smoke and the Lemonade one to make bubble.
BTW I seem to be getting some speed on the pic uploads maybe its a scripting error that makes pages load slow on dial up.
Sure seems faster on the files and great job!

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These are in 5 gallons as all my seed plants are but I will switch to 5 gallons for the next run.

These plants are both from different seeds but are extremly similar.
The short one may be due to placement in the room.

Lets looks ate the progress.


** I am now on my second run and there are differences in the two sisters
Soylent green is sweeter and milder to taste. The Pink one is no longer pink that was temps as I suspected you will see her again on my current run soon.**

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In my breeders decription I claim it has full melt capability.
Does it?
Absofuckinglutly!

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Well I put down the deposit today on a booth at Pax party house for the 2006 Hightimes Cannabis Cup.
I still don’t know all the details as far as entering but I am going to unfold our mater plan to make our mark on our first trip as a contestant.

Ready for the Pinky and the Brain style plan.
We plan to take this strain.



Enter it in the Seed Company category

Stone everyone so badly at the Pax with Bonghits and Cookies they won’t ever forget us.

I am smoking some of the other female now and it is just intense and 2-3 bowls and your just high as Bens Kite. It is a bit harsh at first a trait JC passed on but once it starts to carbolize the sugars add a nice sweet flavor to the smoke.


Lets look at Trichome production at day 55?

Pics from May 5th

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This is bad ass! I worry it is a bit strong in flavor to win first place its certainly incredibly potent enough, it has the resin but its a tad on the harsh side with the Lemon resin. I am trying a much slower cure on this round to see if it helps.

Regardless of what you think of me friend or foe if your nor trying this strain your just hard headed. haters like doggieboy ( Now on Ignore) are just missing out if they don't give her a try and for those that say we are to expensive I aint a vendor BUT I talked our new guy into a mixed pack of JTR, Vortex and Spacequeen f2 at a seriously cheap price that way you get a chance at three of my best Potency lines.


For old friends and customers from C-bay PM me and I'll blast you a 1/2 pack on me..

[grasshopper]

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[Greens]

Hey Sub,

JTR sure is a kick ass strain! Those pics just look amazing...

Right now, I'm isolating some of the best from the Conquistadors (still. lol). My favorite from the Astroboys is an amazingingly trichome covered specimen that finishes in 6 weeks of 12/12 with the craziest full melt hash (we call that clone "your mom"). I found three conquistadors with the sour grape smell and taste from the HP mom. We are going to keep this short one with crown buds just like the HP with an even stronger Sour Grape smell and taste (I think it's more potent than HP as well). Also, I might keep this big one that reeks like black liquorice and Grapes mixed together because it is so covered in trichs. My buddy kept a large yielding "watermelon" pheno from the conquistadors and that's a great one.

Grasshopper, why not just ignore sub if you don't like his posts... It's a simple as that.

Greens

[grasshopper]

"04-25-2006, 04:38 AM #3
muggles
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Posts: 122
Join Date: Apr 2006

Sorry BCW1, there will be no C-Bay action here. This site was created under the concept that beans wouldn't be sold/traded here to protect the community from being raided as our old site was. Whatever goes on in PMs is beyond our control.

I haven't been around to the seed selling sites, but, if Legends is still open, I found Red to be quite reliable with quite a nice selection from various breeders.

Stay safe and watch your six!
Muggles
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[Lothar of the Hill People]

This is a strains forum, not a "seed sales ethics" forum.

Grasshopper, if you want your information to remain, please drop the attitude and converse civilly.

Sub - Your post titled "summary" is getting a bit too close to seed distribution. Please pull back on the reins a bit.

[grasshopper]

Grasshopper, if you want your information to remain, please drop the attitude and converse civilly.


ok lothp

with no attitude implied



subby?

first quote and question:

with this list as the heritage


"Hybrid-Pluton X Purple Haze X Lambsbread X NL X Jack Herer X Romulan X Cindy99BCGA"

how many genotypes could i reasonably expect out of 1000 seeds?


second quote and question:


" don't forget I do this legaly paying taxes and working now with district attornies in Cali."

what exactly does this statement mean?
how do you work exactly? with the district attorneys?


tia for the answers

[c-ray]

with this list as the heritage


"Hybrid-Pluton X Purple Haze X Lambsbread X NL X Jack Herer X Romulan X Cindy99BCGA"

how many genotypes could i reasonably expect out of 1000 seeds?


a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot

ok I'm not sub but I'm going to interject
grasshopper if you are looking for a strain to inbreed/turn into an ibl or use in a breeding program or a seedlot that produces uniform plants for use in a commercial grow then in should be fairly obvious that this is not the best place for you to begin, but for folks who are looking for unique varieties of cannabis and that make good pot with strong hardy mother potential for growing medicine cycle after cycle they will likely find it here if they grow enough seeds, that is the nature of cannabis, polyhybrids have the potential to make strong plants and strong pot with unique traits - due to heterosis...cannabis by it's very nature is an outbreeder/outcrosser...most folks will be happy if they put the seed in the soil and they get a good plant and some good buds to smoke, but if one is looking for a cornerstone of a breeding foundation than this is not it

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Absolutly Lothar,
I am just very excited about this strain for sure and didn't mean to go over board.I will respect your wishes and I will stick to the how to threads and back of on strain info.
Actually C-ray we have about 6000 of these seeds grown out now and the variation is much smaller than you would think :)

Sub

[c-ray]

good to hear...sounds like you have a good instinctive understanding of dominances

[The Cannarchist]

So who's dominant Sub?

What do you see in there?

[grasshopper]

well lothar?
i asked legitimet questions with a civil tongue
and his response?
zip zero nada as always
yet his unopposed free advertisment for substandard? (feel free to delete) genetics continues
what gives?
i want to ask how much he is paying you?
but? i don't believe he is
so?
what gives?
why the protective blanket?
is bog next?
then rezdog?
why are certain mod's protecting these guys?

[Carpet Muncher]

conspiranoia will kill ya.

while you weren't answered directly, i think your questions were answered.

just wondering how many strains of his you've grown out, as you seem to have a very definite opinion of his gear?

or more directly, what exactly is your problem with sub?

personally, my <by far> biggest problem with breeders are the ones who sell their gear sans testing, but that's part of the <imo> bad that goes with the overwhelming good of a free market. (rant over. lol!)

[Carpet Muncher]

>>i want to ask how much he is paying you?
but? i don't believe he is<<

come on dude? a cursory view of your posts shows that you're mostly a shit-slinger. while i don't object to some of your actual questions, the seething hostility behind them makes you a liability to this site.

iow, you could have said.. hey sub, that's a polyhybrid if i've ever seen one! in a pack of 15, ('man of the people', you sell in 15pks, right?) how many different expressions can i expect to find, and what are they?

that way you can maintain some of your hostility, and still make the questions palatable.

just an idea.. take care.. peace.. CM


ps.. Sub.. while i like the macros, i love the whole-plant shots.

[Lothar of the Hill People]

Thanks for understanding and trying to put things back to right guys!

Read Carpet Muncher's posts carefully. They contain much wisdom... :)

Questions regarding business practices are outside the scope of this forum. For the most part, we're trying to keep them outside the scope of this site. If you have a problem with how anyone is selling seeds - especially related to past practices, the Jungle is the closest you're going to get to an open field. We would, however, prefer you keep those questions to PMs, or even better, off of the site entirely. We do not operate any vendors' help desks, nor do we take ad revenue from seed vendors.

[mace]

or more directly, what exactly is your problem with sub?
Hey CM, not sure what problem do you mean..

Do you mean the "very last problem"?
Or do you mean the "very last problem (until i make some more)"?

;)

its a seedy business...

peace,

mace

[grasshopper]

Thanks for understanding and trying to put things back to right guys!

Read Carpet Muncher's posts carefully. They contain much wisdom... :)

Questions regarding business practices are outside the scope of this forum. For the most part, we're trying to keep them outside the scope of this site. If you have a problem with how anyone is selling seeds - especially related to past practices, the Jungle is the closest you're going to get to an open field. We would, however, prefer you keep those questions to PMs, or even better, off of the site entirely. We do not operate any vendors' help desks, nor do we take ad revenue from seed vendors.

then the jungle is where i'll try to keep my bitching



"come on dude? a cursory view of your posts shows that you're mostly a shit-slinger. "

lol i seen some shit slinging come out of you aswell over the years:)


"while i don't object to some of your actual questions, the seething hostility behind them makes you a liability to this site."

nomally i'm laughing while typing and 3 packs conquistador,1 pack jack's cleaner(1st run),1 pack black russian f2, and a pack of dannyboy btw

anyhow
i'll take it to the jungle lothar :)

fwiw

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I have really fallen in love with pictures and each session I get a bit better with settings.
I thought these rocked pretty much.

I have grasshopper on ignore guys so he is not bothering me at all.
His act is pretty old but part of life online :)

JTR Lemon Pheno.



Sub

[country boy]

Love the macros, Sub!

Perhaps you could give us a little more info on why that particular 'space queen' male was used?
How did the other outcrosses, backcrosses, etc... from him do in trials?

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We choose this male from a very small pool thats why I still catch crap from many but I didn't happen to know where a large group of Vic's seeds were. The first to show sex was tossed as soon as he showed his sex. It was left down to two males and I choose then based on smell, resin and cluster formation. We initially used Jill's Orange Velvet as and Outcross to test the SpaceDudes usefullness as a stock male. The Orange Velvet is one we know very well and the resulting hybrids had a boosted potency, flavor, speed of maturity and really gave me a stash I enjoy very much in the Jillybean Phenotype Candy Store. Using test remotes and data collected from growers we know Jillybean has three main variations and every one has it's own qualities. I will post some JB pics in a few.


The results of Jillybean were so promicing the next logical step was to pollenate both Jacks Cleaner and Apollo-13 and see what the resulting off spring would be. I'm pretty happy with the results as it makes the JCB line seem like pretendica.

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Now Like Cali O Jill's Orange Velvet has that amazing Orange flavor and great up high but it seems to lack in punch. Our gaol with JB was to icrease the potency, Keep the coloring trait, and keep that amazing Orange taste. The results were better than we could have ever hoped for. When bud room temps are dropped Jillybean will take on a Maroon to Magenta coloring that is quite stunning in winter crops. Her phenotypes vary from Orange mango to mango orange and there is absolutly more resin in the offspring.


This strain is now grown everywhere my favorite place is near the west bank in Isreal and as far as France.
Remeber when we talked of Overgrowing the planet. I still carry that flame :)

Sub

[country boy]

Thanks for the info, sub!

it's these 'names' that seem to confuse the peanut gallery...

Curious: do you mean by 'using 2 males' because of a lack of Vic's stock, that you didn't have access or that you found BCGA stock was not of 'breeding' quality?
The reason for this question, is it, seems to some, that auto-flowering is/was a trait that often popped up in some of that 'original' breeding stock.( and, yeah, i've got the V post where he remarks than his stuff only hermies for a-holes) i.e. Hermberry...

Could you refreash my memory on the genetics of the 'space queen' male?
...so hard to follow from page to page...

Once again, thanks for this micros! You're really getting good!!

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Also before we completed this cross we also had Vortex run by TGA testers and even though a huge amount of these beans were lost in the storm it actually added some flavor to Apollo and impressed me alot. I would have this in my stash if I wasn't running 3D.

The first 4 pictures by Friend of TGA.
The last pic is by me of the clone he sent me :)


I'd say Space Dude is a keeper?


Sub

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I only had one pack ov Vics SQ seeds.
Space Queen is Romulan X Cindy 99.

We also did an SQF2 and made gave em away by the hand fulls and amazingly some people prefer it over many famous elites.

I will post that thread soon we worked 4 females for like 9 months before choosing a female.

:)

Thanks for the nice words.

Sub

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Info

Jillybean (Orange Velvet X Space Queen)

Jill was lucky enough to be gifted this amazing Orange Skunk and they day we smoked the finished bud we knew we had to outcross it with our Space Queen male. You don’t really have to be a master breeder to figure out Orange and Pineapple mango will be a good combination. The resulting outcross is remarkably stable and is close to a 50/50 representation of the parents. Topped only once in grows into a nice short bush with lots of side branching and multi heads. Flavors range from Orange, Tang, Candy, Mango, and Apple. The cross works really well in SOG or SCROG. Although it was created as an outcross to Cube the OV every female I have seen is a keeper in it’s own right. Very large stems and huge top colas make this an easy strain to grow in any medium.
We have 5 females in our bud room and 4 could be clones there so similar same height same growth speed and all have that Dank Orange smell. Very good mood elevator and general euphoria are experienced while high on this cross. Lime green with Vibrant Orange Hairs with temperature drops it can turn a deep burgundy to maroon, most of ours have Lavender leaf curl.
1. Very stable Orange-Mango 50/50 Phenotypes
2. Short and Stocky
3. Very Heavy/ Easy Trim
4. Indoor/ Outdoor
5. Single Topping forms multi heads
6. 8 weeks
7. Sativa/Indica 30/70
8. Unknown Orange Skunk X Romulan X Cindy99BCGA
9. Happy, Mood Enhancing, Humorous, Energetic
10. Taste so much like Dreamcicles you will not believe it!

Vortex (Apollo-13 X Space Queen)

Vortex (Apollo-13 X Space Queen)
My oldest head stash crossed with my new favorite. Both have similar pungent, rotten fruit, baby poo smells. Both carry heavy potency and copious amounts of resins. This combination of Cannabis Freaks won’t win any vigor or yield awards but for serious collectors of recessives this is a must have. Expect weird mutations and incredibly sticky freaks of nature. This hybrid tends to grow like a vine and need serious tending to achieve decent yields. I yielded just over 4 Ounces in soil using lots of plant bondage and training. This strain is offered mainly to collectors who have experienced the high or unique smell of either parent. This is not a strain for someone new to indoor growing or large scale grows looking for big production. It is a strain that with luck you can find a once in a lifetime mom for head stash. Brothers Grimm meet Vic High in a genetic soup that is one for the history books. Look for colas to dreadlock out and almost appear seeded they swell so full.
Reports from test grow are extremly stabilty and great potency and taste.
Thanks to Petfish for his hard work and these new pics!

1. Phenotypes -Large variation with phenotypes like both parent strains
2. Height-Short, vine like, weak stems, long internodal spacing
3. Yield-Medium/ Very hard to trim
4. Indoor Only
5. Best Way to grow- Wide sagging bush with hundreds of bud sites. Lots of stakes and string
6. Harvest Window-45-55 days
7. Sativa/ Indica 80/20
8. Hybrid-Genius X P75 X Romulan X Cindy99
9. High type-heart racing, energizing, confusing, stoned, ripped curled under, stupidity
10. Smells like Mango Snapple with lemon/ Taste like sweetened lemonade.
11. Very unique Cindy like plant with a bizarre twist, very potent

Does that help?

Sub

[Carpet Muncher]

lol i seen some shit slinging come out of you aswell over the years:)

lol.. yep, that would be me. :) definately a few yrs older, and *perhaps* a bit wiser now? either way, for me, it's rarely been worth it.

3 packs conquistador,1 pack jack's cleaner(1st run),1 pack black russian f2, and a pack of dannyboy btw

that answers that question!

seems to me that all of this has nothing to do with the thread, and is nothing more than hijacking.. maybe a mod can clean it up.. including my posts?

thanks.. peace.. CM