The great american bailout!!

[guest]

What in the F....ck is this crap snowballin into???Hey my local crack dealer is a very poor money manager and it seems he over extended himself on his "24's" and his super sonic stereo with 5 plasma screen drop down tv's in his 84 box chevy.Uncle sam do you think you could help this brother out,he really needs a bailout to keep rollin and shot callin and pimpin his bitches and ho's?He is about as intitled to it as the big 3 automakers or wallstreet in my book.And while you are at it,i'm having a hard go of it jsut keeping the lights on to raise a son and very good wife,could you send a little bail out my way?I'm guessing no on mine because i get up every morning at 7 get my son off to school kiss my wife and go put in a full days work in my store and i dont pay myself a 100million a year and take \$250,000 vacations so i doubt i qualify for the bailout as this seems to be what the status quo is to recieve my hard earned tax dollars.This shit is ridiculous and making me wanna man the front lines of a modern revolution.When does it end?I think i'm gonna pack up my family and move to canada!

[guest]

Imagine this, the amount of the bailout would amount to 750,000 dollars for each and every man, woman and child in the U.S. If the fed doled it out to the people, the economy would soar.

[guest]

I am sick of hearing it because now its to the point that every mis managed big business company thats had over paid workers and over paid brass for the last 25 years is standing on the steps of the white house with their hands out going but we gotta have it look at all the jobs that will be lost!!!Fuck the company send the big wigs to the house theyve got enough already a d dole it out to all those that would lose the real jobs like line workers at the factorys until they can get going again or let em have it so they can start their own appropriately ran business with reasonable pay to themselves and their employee's.And as for the union workers for the auto companies you dont want to get me started after i heard what they are paid an hour not counting the benefits and 401k's and health insurance.Theres millions of americans that will do the same job for a third of the wage!$50 bucks an hour to watch a part roll down a line???????Come on now!!!

[Janosh]

Don't let it get you down mon. At least de not bomin ya kids now.

[guest]

No bombin, just filling em full of fear and greed. A dangerous combination for even the wisest amongst us.

[Janosh]

It's a dangerous world out here. I doubt any of us will get out alive.

[guest]

It's a dangerous world out here. I doubt any of us will get out alive.

I'll have to ask Mark Twain, as he is the originator of the quote; Then there's the lizard king: five to one baby, one in five, no one here gets out alive. But, again, stripped of the insecurities of flesh; are we really still us?

[Janosh]

First I have no knowledge of the origin of the thought that it is a dangerous world and that none of us might survive, but I'm sure any mature awareness must eventually acknowledge the reality.
Secondly I don't mean to infer complacency.

Back in the 60's I arrived at the knowledge that all the disturbing developments happening in politics and consumerism today, were happening then, and that they were headed toward disaster. The racial injustice, corporate imperialism, and bigoted sense of entitlement created by the divisive nationalistic outlook needed to be changed. Seeking a vehicle to create this change brought much disillusionment. It seems the most powerful forces in society are driven by greed.

Reacting in fear and anger may have merit but positive change comes by finding a way of living that gives us Peace, happiness, and satisfaction. I find that this good example speaks for itself because it works to provide a cushion of appreciation that nurtures the effort by appealing to the natural sense of balance within us all. In other words working in ways that are sustainable while rejecting ways that are not, works, and kindles a spark within the human spirit to adopt responsibility for our own lives rather than depending on corrupt governments and other authorities.

Relax Mon, we don't have to change them. All we have to do is change ourselves.

They will fail as they always do because their way is non sustainable so why focus on the inevitable. The real questions deal with how we are going to survive it.

I regret saying they are not Bombing your kids because they are.

Working toward respectful sustainability as a caretaker of the garden rather than trying to posses or control it gives me Peace.

[guest]

Great sentiment J, All systems do seek a balance, but the irony is that all 'civilized' beings and institutions seem to glut themselves before realization of what too much is, giving no heed to real accrued wisdom. The rare learn through others mistakes.

[c-ray]

it's time to finish the job
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Roman_Empire

[guest]

excatly correct C-RAY!!!!

[guest]

yes, but what is the next better option? The devil you know and all that. The mass of people want and need to be led and need proper institutions and proper checks and balances within that institutionalized bureaucracy. IMO, there are no higher ideals then those, secularly, embodied in the constitution and bill of rights.

[c-ray]

yes, but what is the next better option?

smaller more tribal like nation states
ie break it on down like this 1 2

[guest]

tribal nation states still need checks and balances. Previous tribal states still suffered from from the problems we have today, but without money generating fear. Smaller is in no way better, just more palpably corrupt.

[Lungus]

This scenario is playing out on our native reserves right now with the dominant family groups indulging in blatant corruption and nepotism, taking all the gravy and leaving the rest with the crumbs. Where people get this idea that small groups are more fair than large ones, I don't know, people always want to point their fingers at a bad guy or inferiors and they will find or fabricate some to solidify their dominance. Did humans living in small groups help during the Inquisition or the other religious pogroms? Ever read about the mind numbingly cruel things that natives did to each other when they lived in tribal units? It's as simplistic as a "Bill and Ted" movie to think that if we just lived in small groups we'd all be "excellent to each other". Anarchy is great, until someone or some group better armed or luckier than you takes all your stuff.

[guest]

That is quite true L, look into the green lodge and corruption in the native leadership.

[c-ray]

http://www.thebailoutgame.us

[spaceman]

see ford is pumping there new electric car..,and i dont believe they are involved in this bail out ? "even god has gone green"

[Janosh]

Its all just perfect, funny too, but it hurts like hell when you fall, till you get used to it.