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c-ray
07-08-2008, 03:30 PM
I've seen this product at the hydro shops for years and there is all sorts of claims on the internet about how it can be used to grow better plants
so I was curious and I found a patent with some info on how to make it:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=3,893,943.PN.&OS=PN/3,893,943&RS=PN/3,893,943

EXAMPLE I

This example illustrates one presently preferred process for preparing the catalyst of the invention.

Anhydrous calcium chloride in an amount of 0.66 gram and magnesium sulfate heptahydrate in an amount of 1.32 grams were dissolved in 2 liters of deionized water with stirring and warming until solution was complete. Then 95 grams of sodium silicate pentahydrate having a molecular ratio of sodium oxide to silicon dioxide of 1:1 was added to the solution with stirring and continued warming to produce a white suspension of finely divided particles of the reaction product. Most of the reaction product appeared to be present in the form of a colloidal suspension.

After setting for 10 minutes, the suspension of the reaction product was heated to 80.degree.C. and 201 grams of sulfated castor oil was added with stirring. The average molecular weight of the sulfated castor oil was 400 and it contained 50% of water. The turbidity lessened somewhat as the suspension was heated at 80.degree.-90.degree.C. for 1 hour with vigorous stirring to produce catalyst micelles. The concentrated aqueous suspension of catalyst micelles thus prepared had a viscosity similar to that of water and it was used in Examples II and III appearing thereinafter.

The aqueous concentrate was useful as a catalyst in treating carbonaceous materials in general which have active sites. Catalyst costs were reduced by adding 2-1,000 parts of water before use. The diluted catalyst suspension was catalytically active and give satisfactory results.

A dry or solid catalyst concentrate was prepared in a further run by evaporating water from the aqueous catalyst suspension. The resulting catalyst concentrate was resuspended in water and there was no substantial loss of catalytic activity. In still other runs, the catalytic activity of the concentrated aqueous suspension of catalyst, the diluted aqueous suspension of catalyst, and the reconstituted aqueous catalyst suspension was enhanced by freezing and thawing.



another patent here with info on making catalyst altered lignite and making lignite soluble in water
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4,237,101.PN.&OS=PN/4,237,101&RS=PN/4,237,101

EXAMPLE VII

This Example illustrates the preparation of the fossil fuel solutions of the invention from lignite.

Lignite from the Havelock Mine, New England, North Dakota was ground to minus 60 mesh (Tyler Screen) and 200 grams thereof was admixed with 250 ml of a catalyst suspension prepared in accordance with Example I and diluted with 1000 volumes of water. The admixture was treated for 2 hours at room temperature (72.degree. F.) in a 1 quart Abbe Ball Mill using 3/4" ceramic balls. Following the treatment, the reaction mixture was filtered to obtain a glassy black pitch-like solid residue of treated lignite particles and a yellow liquid treating solution having a pH of 6.7.

The treated lignite particles were extracted with acetone to produce a dark red solution and a residue of acetone extracted particles. The acetone extracted particles were further extracted with 3 M hydrochloric acid to obtain a yellow-orange acidic extract solution and an acid extracted residue.

The acid extracted char was further treated with 1 M sodium hydroxide solution and the mixture set to a jet-black pitchlike substance. The solution was filtered with difficulty to yield a black thick liquid and a sodium hydroxide treated residue. When the residue was washed with water, the solid material peptized and passed through the filter. Thus, substantially all of the lignite was solubilized.

EXAMPLE VIII

This Example illustrates the preparation of an aqueous solution of catalyst treated lignite.

Weathered lignite having a particle size of minus 80 mesh (Tyler Screen) was admixed in an amount of 50 pounds with 2.50 ml of the catalyst suspension prepared in accordance with Example I and 8 gallons of hot soft water having a temperature of 150.degree. F. The admixture was heated and stirred and after five minutes, the pH value was approximately 5. The admixture was allowed to set without heating for 12 hours and then 2 pounds of flake caustic (78% sodium hydroxide) was added. The admixture was stirred for approximately 5 minutes and the pH was 5-6. The wet catalyst treated lignite was air dried and stored in a plastic container.

The above prepared catalyst treated lignite was admixed in an amount of 298 grams with 307 grams of the catalyst suspension prepared in accordance with Example I. The resultant moist solid was stored in an airtight container while awaiting the preparation of a solution. Thereafter, 5 grams of this admixture was added to one gallon of soft water. Substantially all of the treated lignite dissolved forming a dark opaque blue-black solution. The solution contained the catalyst in a concentration equivalent to diluting the catalyst suspension of Example I with 1000 volumes of water and it also contained 700 parts per million of the dissolved catalyst treated lignite. The pH value was 7.

The above prepared lignite solution was tested on cultures of Staphylococcus Aures (gram positive) and Escherichia Coli (gram negative). The solution completely inhibited the growth of both Staphylococcus Aures and Escherichia Coli.

EXAMPLE XI

This Example illustrates the treatment of Havelock Mine lignite having a particle size such that 85% passed through a minus 85 mesh Tyler Screen.

An admixture of 70 pounds of the lignite, 300 ml of the catalyst suspension prepared in accordance with Example I and 8 gallons of soft water having a temperature of 150.degree. F. was prepared. After 5 minutes of heating and stirring, the pH was 5 and 2.2 pounds of flake caustic soda (78% sodium hydroxide) was added. The pH of the resultant solution was 12 and after one-half hour of heating the pH was 11. The admixture was allowed to set for 12 hours.

Thereafter 1/2 of the treated lignite was air dried. A white encrustation appeared on the surface after drying. A second 1/2 portion of the treated lignite was kept moist with water for 2 days to determine if air oxidation continues provided the treated lignite is kept moist and basic. Upon testing, it was found that the air oxidation did continue. A white encrustation formed on the surface of the treated lignite when dry. The remaining 1/3 portion of the treated lignite was admixed with 2 gallons of hot soft water and thereafter 100 grams of sodium perborate was added. The temperature was 76.degree. C. Thereafter, the treated lignite was air dried in the sun and no white encrustation developed on the surface.

c-ray
07-08-2008, 03:36 PM
from http://www.mtnhigh.com/patent2.html
Dr. Willard comments:

"It attacks the non-available nutrients of the soil and converts them into a form that is readily utilized by the plant."

"It causes seeds to germinate better and faster, producing stronger seedlings. The roots of which will penetrate further to contact more nutrients and water."

"Willard Water is made up of electrically charged colloidal particles that tend to hold the water in the soil and plant. The colloidal particles tend to keep the soil from compacting so the air and water can penetrate. The soil bacteria thrive and are stimulated to a greater activity by the treatment."

"Soils which are not easy to work have a lot of clay in them. The clay will attract minerals because of its electrical charge. Willard Water goes down there and reacts with the clay, liberating the metals and other minerals. The clay breaks up...doesn't hold together in a large mass. The trace minerals become available to the microorganisms. They use part of it. And they use nitrogen from the air and oxygen from water...they form protoplasm, they die. Their bodies are now food that the roots can assimilate."

"Willard Water goes through the hard-pan into the sub-soil. Dissolves rocks and frees trace minerals for the plants to utilize."

c-ray
07-08-2008, 04:12 PM
some claims from another patent
if you read this patent he is also using peat to make the 'fossil fuel'
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN%2F4084938
The solutions of the fossil fuel have the following uses in agriculture:

1. Soil treated with a dilute aqueous solution of the solubilized fossil fuel is markedly more fertile than untreated soil and the increase in fertility cannot be attributed to the plant food content of the solution. It appears that formerly unavailable nutrients in the treated soil become available for use by growing plants following treatment with the solution. This increases the effective concentration of available nutrients in the soil and thereby increases the fertility and promotes the growth of plants.

2. Addition of the solution to the soil appears to cause the soil to attract and hold moisture. Laboratory tests prove that temperatures as high as 350.degree. F. are necessary to remove all of the water from the treated soil. The water is retained at temperatures far in excess of the boiling point.

3. The solubilized lignite is largely in the form of salts of humic acid and other carboxylic acids. Treatment of soil with the solution thus adds humus and the other aforementioned desirable substances.

4. Seeds sprayed with the lignite solution when in the seed bed sprout faster and have a higher germination rate than untreated seeds. The seedlings also have a very rapid growth rate and may be transplanted earlier.

5. Cuttings placed in a dilute solution of lignite form sufficient roots for transplanting much more rapidly than the same cuttings placed in untreated water.

6. Plants treated with the lignite solution withstand drought better than untreated plants.

7. Plants treated with the lignite solution grow much larger than untreated plants, and the quality of the produce is as good or better than that from untreated plants or seeds.

8. Plants such as potatoes sprayed with the lignite solution recover faster after a hard freeze than do untreated plants. Crops such as potatoes may be planted much earlier in the Spring and in some instances even in the Fall.

The lignite solution is also useful in the storage of crops. Lignite solutions sprayed on corn in non-airtight storage having a moisture content of 25% eliminate mold and rot. The treated corn also has a sweet silage-like odor and samples show the protein content increased from 9% to 12% due to the growth thereon of a protein-yielding yeast. There was also some evidence of an increase in sugar content. Cubes formed from new mown hay and treated with the lignite solution did not spoil when exposed to the elements whereas untreated cubes did spoil. Grain and forage appears to be more palatable and digestible when sprayed with the lignite solution than when untreated. Tests with a fungi inperfecti grown on ligno-cellulose treated with the lignite solution showed that protein is produced at low cost which is suitable for use as animal feed.

gojo
07-08-2008, 05:29 PM
Hey buddy,

Nice find but I'm not so sure good ol' willard is shootin straight :cowboy:


from http://www.mtnhigh.com/patent2.html
Dr. Willard comments:

"It attacks the non-available nutrients of the soil and converts them into a form that is readily utilized by the plant."

errr...does he mean chelate...me thinks so....jeez!




"It causes seeds to germinate better and faster, producing stronger seedlings. The roots of which will penetrate further to contact more nutrients and water."

as will all humic acids when they add humus to the media...



"Willard Water is made up of electrically charged colloidal particles that tend to hold the water in the soil and plant. The colloidal particles tend to keep the soil from compacting so the air and water can penetrate. The soil bacteria thrive and are stimulated to a greater activity by the treatment."

"electrically charged colloidal particles" = humates in humic acid (eg. CEC)? (me thinks yes...and if I'm correct this is common to all humic acids.)


"Soils which are not easy to work have a lot of clay in them. The clay will attract minerals because of its electrical charge. Willard Water goes down there and reacts with the clay, liberating the metals and other minerals. The clay breaks up...doesn't hold together in a large mass. The trace minerals become available to the microorganisms. They use part of it. And they use nitrogen from the air and oxygen from water...they form protoplasm, they die. Their bodies are now food that the roots can assimilate."


WTF? He's really trying to say willard water does all that? ROTFLMAO!!! While his water will help add tilth to the clay via. humus from the humic acid and chelate some minerals (as do all humic acids formulations, not just willard water)...all the other stuff is like a chain reaction and can not be directly attributed to willard water.

And he even has the soil food web messed up :rolleyes: :loco:



"Willard Water goes through the hard-pan into the sub-soil. Dissolves rocks and frees trace minerals for the plants to utilize."


I would like to see some proof on the "dissolves rocks", unless he means chelate minerals which all humic acids do.


I don't mean to be bashing you thread bro, it's just the willard water seems like some weird kind of snake oil that actually works but not the way it claims in regard to it's uniqueness nor broad range of benefits it claims...

gojo
07-08-2008, 05:40 PM
Hey again,

some claims from another patent
if you read this patent he is also using peat to make the 'fossil fuel'
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN%2F4084938


I've been using Fossil Fuel (by Europonic) for a few months and I do like it but this "Fossil Fuel" is made from leonardite not peat. There is a humic acid from peat I've seen but I can't find it right now...I'll look around and try to find it, I kind of remember somthing called "natures essence" product or something...

That thing I PM'd you about has so far seemed to work MUCH, MUCH better then any other humic acid I've used, esp when tilth, root growth, etc is considered...

gojo
07-08-2008, 05:45 PM
To everyone:

here's a trick for you all so you can make your own Willard Water in terms of the benifts from the following quote:
(that is if I'm correct in my understanding of willard water)

http://www.mtnhigh.com/fax1.html
The "few things" that it seems to do as a result of its unusual characteristics include its apparent effect of reducing stress or, as Dr. Willard explained, "it takes an organism under stress and helps it to return to its normal state." A plant suffering from lack of water is under stress. Drought-stricken plants treated with the water have done much better than untreated plants under the same conditions. Returning an organism to normal seems to be connected to the water's apparent property of stimulating an organism's natural defense mechanism(s)


When mixing you humic acid IGNORE the lable! Use the following ratio of humic acid to water: 1:125

The reasons and explinations are long and confusing, so just take my word on it...use humic acid at 1:125 for foliar and drench...unless you are trying to add tilth (humus) to your meida, in that case use the label directions on the first and second drench then use 1:125 from the point on...

One more thing to be blasphemed:
You don't need fulvic acid, humic does nearly everything attributed to fulvic...and fulivc doesn't exist in nature, plants are not evolved to use it...