new boy having coliseum prob....please help!

[maccapacca]

hi, great forum, i have a 60plant 1000w coliseum and would like a little bit of advice..... its all set up with just half of the system full, im growing in perlite and im watering for 1 min a day. the half that is not being used has had the nute feed disconnected. after the pump has run for 1 min the nutes keep running off into the catch tanks for at least 30mins! i must be using 40litres up each feed! is this right? sounds like a lot of waste water/nutes....

can anyone advise?

as i only have one side of the coli running should i perhaps half the feed time from 1 min to 30 secs?

thanks in advance

[The Cannarchist]

Time it.

Add nute and stop immediately you see run off.There will be more to come but that is your feed time.

if you put too much nute in the vertical drop acts like a syphon and pulls all you just put in out again!

Another method is to calculate how much went in and how much came out.Take the run off amount away from the input and that is your holding capacity for pure perlite.Then adjust your input time to just feed that amount plus an additional 20% as a flush run off.

[nuggdigger]

I poured two gallons into my rez, then made a 2 mark, another 2 gallons and made a 4 mark,etc all the way up to the top. I watered for two gallons then waited 10 mins, if no runoff i watered another 2 gallons and waited another 10 mins and repeated till i got the runoff. This is a starting mark for knowing what your media will take. In perlite dtw, measure your runoff ppm, and compare it to your feed solution ppm. It rises quickly. When it starts to get much higer you know to feed with more runoff to flush the accumulated nutes out, or you can give it a straight watering on tap and reset it shortly after with new fert solution. Another option, besides giving straight tap to flush is to give a weaker feed till runoff is below desired point. By weaker i mean like 1/3rd to 2/3rd strength, so there is no time where the plants sit without nutes.
Welcome to the forums, i can still recall my first run with perlite in a two row with 60 plants around 1k, and the 'fun' i had. It took lots of help and has been a blast ever since. This round is really interesting.
peace:pipe:

[The Cannarchist]

He's so much more eloquent than I.

Thanks Nugg.:tiphat:

[maccapacca]

nice one blokes, great info here. I planted the clones on sunday and the bottom row of plants are just starting to show signs of new growth. the top row seems a little saggy-they look a little limp, sort of like they all had a heavy night! im thinking that this may be down to lack of water perhaps so im going to try just hand feeding for a while to see if i can perk them up a little. my e.c. is around 10. seeing a little yellowing of fan leaves too....any thoughts on this? anyway, im going to rig up a little bit of hose to plug directly onto the outlets of the grow chamber so i can calc my nute usage as per you guys advice.

thanks again

[nuggdigger]

Sounds like the bottom row is in favorable conditions as they are happy. The top row is definitely dryer then the bottom row. If your media EC is staying put fairly well..not climbing to much, then you can just give the top row a little watering every day at lights on. This is just a watering for the top row, not a complete media soak. This may be daily, and about 5 gallons. Your goal here is not flooding the media and flushing out accumulated salts..its just to wet the media to keep the plants happy. Every time the perlite drys out..the EC climbs in the media..this is why its nice to give it good soak once or twice a week, then daily maintenance for the top row. I hope ya follow the gibberish. Once the plants roots get more established, the top row will be happier, of course by then the demands will be higher from bigger plants, or so we hope.
The yellowing on the fan leaves is probably form the plant getting side light, something its not accustomed to, and now those side leaf factories are at work. It means the plant is trans locating nutes from the fans to other parts in the plant. If you wish a lil N dose can help prevent it from getting worse. If that is your only symptom at this time, your plants are doing ok, wait till the top row gets the eagle 'claw' then you know the nute scale is going the other way. Are you running an inline filter and emitters and what size pump? I know my pump can't do over 40 lpm the way its set up..more like 8-10 i bet though the filter and manifold.

peace:pipe:

[The Cannarchist]

:yeahthat:

Word:joint:

[maccapacca]

cheers nug, couple of questions-

how can i measure my media ec?

"wait till the top row gets the eagle 'claw' then you know the nute scale is going the other way."

can you expand a little on this a bit?

as for my pump, i have a 'little giant' pump that can pump 7600 litres per hour(!!!!!!!!) jesus....is that overkill? this is the first time ive read the bloody spec on the pump! excuse my ignorance, the pump was part of the kit

thanks

[The Cannarchist]

Measure the Ph and PPM of the run off.Report back

Eagle claw is when the leaf blades curl under because the medium is to hot with nutes.They should all be straight and looking for the light at a 45 degree angle.

just use plain water when feeding the top row.

[nuggdigger]

Right on. The claw is a sign of the plant losing water faster then it can take it up. The roots close down to slow the dryout process and the situation worsens. The correct procedure to re-mediate is to flush and reset the media. This is where The Cannarchist idea of making the daily watering tap makes total sense. Each time your media goes through a wet/dry cycle it accumulates salts and the EC rises in it. Then the plant must work harder to get water. By giving the plant low dose, or tap in your daily waterings you are not compounding the media EC through evaporation and plant transpiration. It will help keep the dreaded claw at bay. Great advice TC.
So usually i make a point of trying to answer all the questions in a post:rolleyes: but there was one question before i left unanswered because i was all like:hmm:
my e.c. is around 10. seeing a little yellowing of fan leaves too....any thoughts on this?
I spent all day wondering how your EC could be around 10. I've come to the conclusion you meant your CF is around 10. Your EC is around 1. 1CF is equal to 0.1EC. That sounds like a good place to start at for transplants. Then up from there as they grow. What nutes are you using?

peace:pipe:

[maccapacca]

you guys are superb....thanks for all this advice. cannarchist ill let you know my figs over the next day

im gagging to go up and just sit in there and sing to them but its 1.06 am in the UK and i don't fancy waking the kids!

cheers

[The Cannarchist]

You lucked out mate.....

We were there when the Coli's were being invented/developed,

Once you learn how to use them You will not go back.Vertical,once learned will increase production by 3 times the same footprint of a flat garden.

Check your PM's

[maccapacca]

nugg, cheers, im using canna two part.
sorry about the e.c./c.f. mix up!

Cann, im well excited about the possiblities of the coli, its going to be fun..!

can see some health showing in the top row tonight which is good.

had an idea about the excessive runoff but thats for another thread. see you blokes there!

[maccapacca]

so its a week since i put my clones in the coli and im generally happy. all but one plant have survived up to this point and I can see what i would call acceptable growth in the top row but far more growth in the lower row. im assuming that this is down to the bottom plants having more nutes around them for longer? the bottom plants look nice and lush/green and have really come on in the last two/three days. the top row have grown to some extent but still look a little weak/pale compared to the bottom plants. (to be expected in the first couple of weeks?) got a question on nutes as well. im currently at cf10. now i have seen growth can i/should i start to raise this a little? cf12 for a couple of weeks?

thanks

[maccapacca]

P.S.
cann, ive been looking at my pre coli and post coli cf's as you asked. they are staying the same at cf10

[nuggdigger]

If your plants are starting to grow then you can increase the cf. The top row will take off soon enough hopefully. Any time you want to increase the cf very much in your media you will want to give your plant roots a mini flush first so the 'highways' are open.
peace:pipe:

[maccapacca]

cheers nugg

[maccapacca]

here are some pics of my plants 9 days after transplating into the coli. ive tried to show the difference between the top and bottom row in my pics but my phone was freakin out with all them lumens! (sorry, digital cam fell into hands of 2 yr old....dead in less than 5 mins...) after seeing noticable growth ive increased CF from 10 to 12. Im keeping my PH at 6.2 and watering by hand as well as the odd blat with the pump. seem to be getting a fair bit of vertical growth. is this to be expected? i was expecting more of a horizontal attitude....does this come with more growth?

cheers

p.s. please excuse the messy catch tank-i normally borrow the other halfs mini vac to clean that up but she went mental when she found out. wierdo.

[nuggdigger]

heya maccapacca, plants are looking great. Don't expect plants to grow towards the light, they still are orientated by trophism to grow up. What does happen though is they put on far more weight on the lighted side of the plant that they will lean towards the light in the end anyways:) I don't consider those overly streachy for the stage your at. You can still afford a little time for more establishment before commencing bloom as far as height considerations go.
Now that the plants are established and we want a wetter media, a good way to help prevent water evaporation from the media is to cover all the open planting holes and the three holes on top of the module. This will help prevent the top row from drying out faster then the bottom row, and less frequent wet/dry cycles keep the EC from going up on you in the media.
thanx for the pix,


peace:pipe:

[The Cannarchist]

I see plantbuilder in the house......

Come on PB.you are the master.......Download that info.

:pipe::joint3:

[maccapacca]

afternoon blokes!

Nugg, excuse my ignorance but i was expecting to grow them in veg far larger than they currently are. will they really need all that space for flowering? there must be close to 2ft of space still between the plants and lamp. i suppose they will start to lean as they weight up with bud (i hope!) so i have to take that into consideration but still....seems like lots of space to fill after flipping. thanks for the tip too, ill get on that at the weekend. checked my pre and post CF's and they are changing. im seeing 12 in the res and 10 in the catch tank which im assuming is good (plants using nutes so CF dropping?)

TC, thanks for the shout, would love PB to get involved!

[maccapacca]

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[nuggdigger]

Nugg, excuse my ignorance but i was expecting to grow them in veg far larger than they currently are. will they really need all that space for flowering? there must be close to 2ft of space still between the plants and lamp. i suppose they will start to lean as they weight up with bud (i hope!) so i have to take that into consideration but still....seems like lots of space to fill after flipping.

As your plants grow closer to the light, a few things happen. Your light intensity increases, your plant feels more heat being closer,
but what I'm referring to is you diameter of your usable growing area decreases.
imagine if your 'wall of green' is 3 feet high, lets look at the usable growing area at different distances from the light...or surface area of a cylinder.
remembering back to school daze..Surface Area of a Cylinder = (2 x π x r²) + (2 x π x r x height):chin:
at 1 foot away from the light your surface area of the cylinder is 25.133 square feet
at 1.5 foot from the light your surface area becomes 42.412 square feet.
at 2 feet from a light your surface area becomes 62.832 square feet.
at 2.5 feet from a light your surface area becomes 86.394 square feet.
at 3 feet from a light your surface area becomes 113.1 square feet.
How many square feet of canopy do you want to grow on?;)

seems like lots of space to fill after flipping.
We don't want to fill it, because now we know we lose growing area.The light is not going to penetrate the canopy, just hit the foliage on the front side of the plant.So its literally a matter of surface area of canopy on the cylinder in a single light configuration. When one gets into stacked lights is when cubic feet of penetration starts to come into play.
The cylinder part becomes far easier to visualize when you incorporate a vertical screen. If your plants get big you will need it..or they will be snapped over hanging upside down..and laying right on the lights..seriously...lol..its a good thing when a plant goes over..means shes top heavy:allgood2:

i was hoping you would grow them bigger..You can still afford a little time for more establishment before commencing bloom as far as height considerations go.
They can still be taller then that before going into bloom..without ending up too overly tall at harvest..lolol:hmm: Lots of people are anxious to get going and flip a week or less after transplant, just making sure you waited till they were bigger:)

I'm seeing 12 in the res and 10 in the catch tank which im assuming is good (plants using nutes so CF dropping?)

well its surely not a bad thing...have you ever had a runoff of 12 yet?.. your media cf is your runoff cf , not your feed rez..just wondering how much cf your media has been up to.. i find it unlikely your cf would go down while maintaining the same level of feed or raising the feed cf in perlite. Have you been 'tapping' (water with no nutes)the top row to keep it wetter periodicly?...could do it..

maybe tc has some ideas..or pb will pop up..lol..:wall:

peace:pipe:

[Green Supreme]

PB PB PB. Peace GS

[maccapacca]

awesome stuff Nugg, where the f..k would i have gleaned this A1 knowledge from without the internet and you blokes huh? Yes I have been hand watering but with nute from the res... hmm....i have seen my runoff at 12-that was when i was first feeding at CF12. since then it has dropped to 10. ive just drained the runnoff tank so ill monitor the CF's from this point again and see what i get over the next week.

must post some more pics-they are going for it now!

[The Cannarchist]

Nugg said what needed to be told.........as usual.Damn that boy is fast!

We both learnt from Master PB........Looks like I'll have to drag him in by his ear...:muahaha:

[maccapacca]

some more pics.......(please tell me if im being boring with all these!)
this is day 15 on veg from clones (see pic of them in tray)

[maccapacca]

more! including pic of clones

[Albi]

ah nice man

[plantbuilder]

Plants and plastic growing together.
The Coliseum is red and the plants are green.
Your plants do look a little angry to me,
But, then again today is Monday.


Macca, it seems like you are having fun now!
peace
pb

[maccapacca]

cheers PB, I certainly am having fun! what do you mean by my plants looking angry? you just playing with me or what?!

[plantbuilder]

Plants and plastic. Are they the same or different?
If you answer i will hit you! If you do not answer i will also hit you!

26
Cancer
* Andromedid


AOF.......................
PRC - PFH - PEG
peace
pb

[maccapacca]

oh my god

[maccapacca]

i need more intelligence to decypher your laguage PB!

[maccapacca]

or maybe an interpreter!

[The Cannarchist]

It takes time but makes sense in the end Macca

[nuggdigger]

26
Cancer
* Andromedid
AOF.......................
PRC - PFH - PEG

where did you get such crazy things frrom pb???..lol;)
lmao...now your speaking MY tongue

he's telling you to look at November 26..
the moon is in Cancer, which in this phase is a good sign to....
....AOF-APPLY ORGANIC FERTILIZER
....PRC-PLANT ROOT CROPS
....PFH-PLANT FLOWERS AND HERBS
and of course one of my favorite signs
....PEG, or PRUNE TO ENCOURAGE GROWTH
also just being just 2 days after full..its also a great suggested time to start flowering and switch to bloom solution
ohh and the Andromedid: well its the meteteor shower belt that were passing through on that date.

the plants just look angry cuz its monday in perlite...maybe they have a weekend hangover..once they are all rehydrated they will be ready to party:dancing:

peace:farm:

[The Cannarchist]

:farm:

[maccapacca]

jesus, ive got a lot to learn! you guys are deep! i'll switch to 12 hours tonight and then go and by a book on the cycles of the moon!

any tips on things to do at switch over? flush with PH'd tap water before bloom nutes? also, any good bloom additives? something thats generally accepted to show improvements? with my limited knowledege/experience im thinking about products like dr hornbys big bud, canna boost, bud blood, hammerhead, halo........the list goes on and so do the claims on the bottles!

thanks guys

mac

[maccapacca]

right so I flushed with ph'd tap water and flipped to 12/12 today. they are looking mighty fine! gave them my canna flora at around CF13, dropped the PH down a little (5.6ish) and should have some hygrozyme (a little late but should help), canna boost and canna pk 13/14 for later yeehaaa!!!!

[maccapacca]

heres a few shots of things so far. two days into flowering

hope ive left enough room for them!

[The Cannarchist]

Looking fine there MP

[maccapacca]

cheers TC. They are flowering after 4 days! amazing! is this normal?
if it is then hydro is awesome!

[The Cannarchist]

For some strange reason we found out that the Coli's really accelerated growth....no idea why.DDoc used to get the old CK plant done in 35 days when it took 50 in pots......

Funny old game

[Kali]

Everythign i read on ddocs old site finished quicker in a coli, could easily cut 5-10 days off some strains

Macca, what strain are you running? and whats happening with the other side???

Anyways lookign good,

cheers
Kali

[Green Supreme]

Did you notice the accelerated growth on you coli run? Peace GS

[maccapacca]

Kali, the strain im growing is global seedbanks 'power bud'

http://www.amsterdamseeds.com/seedbank/customer/product.php?
productid=204

wasn't my 1st choice but a freind had access to some clones and seeing as this was my 1st ever indoor grow i wasn't too worried about perfection, more just getting my head round the system and hydro. as for only one side full-could only get hold of 25 clones! Like is said, 1st run and all that...wasn't too bothered.

GS- Ive never seen growth like this ever. Admittedly i have only grown outdoors in the past but....this is unreal! and if id have perhaps hand watered straight away i reckon i'd have saved at least 7 days veg time and still be where i am now in terms of size. they really didn't seem to like being in such a well draining medium wthout lots of water. And (as you said TC...) its so easy to run. i mean i go and have a little look pretty much every day but im pretty confident that if i was in early or mid veg/flower that i could walk away from it for a week and it would be fine. (famous last words.....) but seriously, a few days would be well ok. anyway, can you tell Im smashed?! im going on like a duracell! more pics as soon as they start to put on weight!

[lazi]

Was it just the coli that had quicker finishing times or were his other verticals the same?

I'm doing plants around a vertical bulb, 2 x 600w, 11 plants total. Been thinking they look further on than they should for 7 weeks. Jacky White fems from Paradise, quoted as 60 days so was expecting 9 weeks or so.

Could the vertical bulbs make the difference or is it the coli as well?

Nice to see a current coli grow again, not so many of them posted lately.

[maccapacca]

some more pics!

the first is a shot from 9 days ago, the rest are all todays.

any ideas on the small specs on the leaf? I'll post it in the correct forum but i thought i may as well stick in here as well!

Mac

[maccapacca]

Here you go TC....more pics!

this is at 19days flowering

really sorry about the quality of the pics, it a great cam but its been dropped a hundred times and won't work properly!

[The Cannarchist]

Now put the other side online and stack 4 more levels above it.Use three 1000w Hps in the same aircooled config that you are doing.

Imagine what that looks like

[maccapacca]

don't get me thinking!

[maccapacca]

hi, been a while, happy xmas/new year and all that! anyway, heres some shots of my plants at 37 days. what do people think? good/bad/ugly? Defo going to make sure i have larger top plants than bottom plants next time....my top row is swamped by the bottom and they have suffered in bud size.

[maccapacca]

some more pics

[The Cannarchist]

Looking good Macca,

Can you do the full pic of it all with HPS out and flash on?

Ta Mate!

And happy new year to you as well.Here's to a good new yr for us all.

Cheers!

[maccapacca]

Hi TC, sorry for no more pics yet, been away for a few days. came back, went to take a look and...............SPIDER MITES EVERYWHERE!!! nitemare.
I started by removing heavily infected leaves etc and then used a fluff remover for clothes (you know them sticky tubes on a handle) which worked real well. I bought some other mites that are supposed to only feed on the ones I have and I put them in today. the second they went in they started attacking the mites! mental! Im hoping that this works (plus no chemicals which is good) I'lll get some pics soon

Mac

P.S. off to sort my address out once and for all!

[maccapacca]

quick update, the spider mites didn't go away using the predators (at least not quiclky enough) so i got something from a local store thats good for spidermites and based on fatty acids (what are they?) anyway it worked a treat-they are all gone or at least I can't see any. will their presence affect overall yeild/quality? sorry about all the vermiculite on the plants-the predators came in a test tube full of it so i had no option but to sprinkle it all over the place! these pics are at day 49 and i don't know about you but I was expecting them to look a little meatier than this by now. maybe ive been looking at to many of everyone elses amazing pics and have too high an expectation from this crop....first hydro grow plus new to coli....at least thats what I hope! Ive noticed that the buds have really matured in colour over the last two days. will try to get some more shots.

[jamaicamon]

nice plants but yowzas! look at all the mites. they are well entrenched at this point. time for drastic measures unless you want them to be around forever.

[maccapacca]

jamacamon, what do you suggest? i hit them with a chem the other day-there has been no sign of life since about an hour after spraying and i plan on cropping them pretty soon (maybe a week to ten days) how will this mite attack affect the smoke? by the way, the white dots all over the place are vermiculite for the large part.

[Green Supreme]

Mites smoke better than most of the things people would spray to get rid of them. I would spray them every few days with a 3% peroxide solution. This will kill each renewed batch till harvest. Then chop down and spray to your hearts content. You will suffer in the yield amounts but not too much in quality. Preventative spraying as they go into flower might not be a bad idea from here on. Goodluck. Peace GS

[maccapacca]

nice one green, what do you think of my efforts so far? please be honest, im trying to gauge what ive acheived this time round with what an experienced grower would expect. don't be afraid to tell the truth!

[Green Supreme]

Seems ok. Looks a dark green for me for almost harvest though. Should be ok smoke if it is not too green. Keep practicing. Good luck. Peace GS

[Kali]

Defo going to make sure i have larger top plants than bottom plants next time....my top row is swamped by the bottom and they have suffered in bud size.


Sorry i didnt mention this sooner, a rigid 4" x 4" screen will enable you to have them grow towards the light and not swamp the top row. Also as you get heavier harvests it will prevent snapped stems.

Powdered Diametacious Earth may be a good organic preventative measure for infestations. Not sure how it will work on the mites but its worth a shot in the future.

any pics before harvest time?

[maccapacca]

Thanks guys, GS, what do you put the dark green colour down too? i know its chlorophyl that gives it the green colour but why so green so late? too much nutes? Im just using canna flora, pk13/14 and hygrozyme but stopped and went to ph'd tap water over a week ago. obviously these photos are a little old now, ill try and take some more today. out of interest i took some macro shots of the leaves to see if i could see the tric colour and im pretty sure im seeing mostly cloudy, a few clear and few gold....i'll try and get some shots of those too although its hard to get good ones!

[Green Supreme]

Probably too much food till too late, nitrogen for sure. Not much you can do about it this time{ Except of course letting them go longer with no food}, but next time maybe taper the food off{especially nitrogen} a little earlier. Good luck. Peace GS

[c-ray]

forgive my ignorance but what strain is that?

[maccapacca]

Cheers GS, its been noted. C, this is power bud (so I was told)
http://www.amsterdamseeds.com/seedbank/customer/product.php?productid=204

got the cuttings from a mate who got them from some cuttings supplier.....can't vouch for the authenticity but i had the coli and was itching to fire it up. for my first indoor hydro grow and first coli grow I am happy with the results but I have had limited experience growing weed and can see from other grows that Im far from an expert! got some feminised lowryder#2's to try next (no mother room yet so these will be a good stop gap till i can grow my own clones)

having trouble resizing my images at the moment too. will get them up asap

[The Cannarchist]

Runs off screaming..............Not the lowryder!!!!!!!!

Well at least you will have something better coming.I will pop some auto BC strains in so you can see the difference.

LOL

[maccapacca]

Hi Can,

are they that shitty? All I seem to find is loads of threads about how good they are....whats so bad about them from your point of view? poor potency? poor yield? both?!! I grabbed these because a. i don't have the time to devote to setting up a mother room for a while and b. they are feminised so Im hoping that unless i have a nightmare germinating I should get another quick crop through the system and c. its another grow to learn from. interested to know about these BC strains though!!!

[c-ray]

both...good luck

[maccapacca]

really! shit. so whats the background on these plants? from what Ive read they are good at what they do....which is fine....but are they really that poor? does anyone know much about the strains they used for the plant?

[c-ray]

I don't know much about lowryder #2 but the original was pretty rough

[maccapacca]

fair enough. I just gotta hope the santa maria cross that they go on about has made it better plant.....

[Kali]

Any pics before the chop?

[maccapacca]

Hi Kali, problem with my camera, Ive damaged the link cable so no more pics until i can borrow my fathers (same cam) which means no last shots before I cut them down either, sorry. They came down today (63 days of flowering) and i was reasonably happy with the pre dried yield and denseness of the buds considering its my first indoor grow, 1st hydro grow and 1st coli grow! Ive been pinching a bit here and there to try and for the first time Ive been able to notice the difference between the high from an immature bud and a mature bud. quite a big difference. immature bud high was very racey, heart beat increased loads, didn't actually like the buzz.....mature bud high was much more my thing, heavy weighty sort of buzz, nice for watching a film! (watched tarantino's DeathProof last night whilst smashed - superb film, girls were HOT plus awesome car stunts/chases too!) really noticed the effect that the faster lower growth had on the top tier. I lost three plants due to being swamped/suffocted and three plants suffered heavy stunted growth due to the same problem. Defo number 1 rule has to be sizing clones depending on top or bottom row (you were so right TC!) number 2 rule - don't flip too late! I think I was a week or so too late.....very bushy in places with lower branches pale due to lack of light penetration (i think!) and very little decent bud. maybe next time I will trim lower branches and will defo flip earlier. this combined with getting the sizing right should give me a much better result, although still very happy considering, and love the coli!

Mac

[The Cannarchist]

Well done mac!

It takes three goes to really dial the coli in.I try to take three times the amount of clones needed and then select the best and equal sized ones from those.Flip when they get to 6-7 inches and they should finish at 18 inches which is optimum.On the top row Trim the bottom six inches of each one after three weeks of bloom so that the row beneath doesn't shade out the bottoms of the top row.

now you should be able to afford a couple more modules.;)
and add another bulb or two......

10lb off 3 HPS 1000W in an aircooled tube with CO2 is what you are aiming for......

Soon come!

[maccapacca]

Nice one TC, looking forward to it!

[maccapacca]

I have some photos! these were taken a week before the plants came down. the plants are covered in vermiculite from trying predators (spider mites....) dry weight ended up 12 oz. Started with 25 plants, one died straight off, lost six plants in total due to being swamped/stunted so around 1.5 oz per plant on average. very happy with the smoke, real smooth (getting smoother.....) must try harder with the yeild though.......

Anyway thanks again to all those who helped/advised and keep your eyes peeled for more coli action!

Mac