Immigration Laws

[phlegmbae]

I've worked with many Mexican folks, and I gotta say I have nothing but respect for them. They are punctual, very hard working, and never seem to give anyone much grief. However......I am appalled with the decision that the US Congress made recently about amending the illegal aliens caught here from a misdemeanor into a Felony. I am all for it! Thier reasoning for voting it down seems very insane! They've claimed that all the demonstrations going on across the country prior to thier decisioin swayed thier votes. WTF????? Most of the demonstrators should have been arrested for having an illegal demonstration in the first place! They were claiming that they had a right to demonstrate. They have absolutely no right at all to demonstrate in this country unless they are citizens. WTF is wrong with Congress? I'll tell you what is wrong. They see the turning of the tide in the US, and they realize that the Hispanic vote is really going to rock this country into the way they want it. It would be like shooting themselves in the feet by voting it a felony to enter this country illegally. Thier yay vote to change a misdemeanor into a felony would mean political suicide! The Mexicans have a very organized, and self promoting adgenda. I'm absolutely postive that every congress person who voted to make it a felony to enter this country illegally will be ousted by the Mexican voters. They will not overlook it. For those that have legally become US citizens it's my belief that if there were some demographic studies done on Hispanic immigrants voter turnout, the Hispanic percentages opposed to say blacks, or whites, you'd find that Hispanics have the highest voter turnout per capita than any other legal citizen group in this country. Meaning they will very shortly control this country with thier voting power. How do people feel about all this? I hear very little about this issue, and I find it very odd. I want to hear what other folks think.

[capt carnuba]

We can always count on Nixon for a candid snippet:

"The Mexicans are a different cup of tea. They have a heritage. At the present time they steal, they're dishonest, but they do have some concept of family life. They don't live like a bunch of dogs, which the Negroes do live like."

Without Naturalization, America simply stops being America, for good or ill.

[Slarty]

I couldn't support charging somebody trying to better their life with a felony. If they don't have bad intentions they aren't criminals.

Sometimes I think we should remove all boarders everywhere and just deal with it once and for all.

[capt carnuba]

Sometimes I think we should remove all boarders everywhere and just deal with it once and for all

So you're saying we should evict everyone from rooming houses?? and what? execute them? (spelling mistakes being made light of for entertainments sake)

[Slarty]

I'm an ignorant savage, I don't know what I'm saying.:taz:

[capt carnuba]

“Why is it there are so many more horses' asses than there are horses?”

G. Gordon Liddy quote

[Slarty]

I just want attention.:banana:

[capt carnuba]

“They've got a big target on there: ATF. Don't shoot at that because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shot, head shots.”

G. Gordon Liddy quote

[capt carnuba]

“Don't get the impression that you arouse my anger. You see, one can only be angry with those he respects.”

Richard M. Nixon quote

[Slarty]

"I was joking, put away your quote book already."

Slarty quote

:good:

[capt carnuba]

LOL, I figure Righties are just cardboard cutouts, so I'm treating my characterizations accordingly. :)

[lucke]

Its sickening how much RACISM, is still in this contry. You can allways tell when they say ive got mexican,black,whatever friends BUT... I want to know who is a american? The true americans were the indians EVERYONE else's family migrated to the us from SOMEWHERE, except most black people that got took from there native land. I myself know my family came from italy in the 1890's, so i will not say anything about people leaving there homeland for a "better" place,legally or not. How can you down someone for bettering themself ? also people bitch about them taking the jobs, but most of the work latinos do are jobs i wouldnt do,picking lettuce,grapes,working in chicken plants all so when you go to the store you dont see a big increase in price. I have a lot of friends whos parents are from mexico, they are good hard working people who just wanted something better for there kids.

I just hope 1 day soon we will quit pointing fingers of racism at people who look or think different..histoey has shown it dosent work, you can only hold people down for so long before it bites you in the ass.....peace....lucke

[phlegmbae]

I'm not a racist! I just think we should shoot anyone on site going across our borders going into, or going out of the US illegally. No matter what. Lol! There that oughta ruffle some feathers! Plus I don't know about what state you are coming from, but illegal Mexicans are working in all types of employment. And when you say they're doing jobs that no one else would want, you're wrong. Who did those jobs before the massive exodus of Mexicans? That's right! Good Ole American boys did'em before their employers realized that they could pay Mexicans much less, and still get the same quality of work. So I really don't buy that about jobs no one wants. Like I said before, I do have a lot of respect for Mexican workers. They work hard. And I'm not talking about legal US-Mexican citizens. I'm talking about illegal aliens. I know the INS comes around here a couple times a year, and deports more than half the work force in some companies only to see the same people back 6 months later. All done without any fines to the companies! That's what I'm talking about. Everyone else had to learn English, learn American History, and such to become citizens. Why should it be any different for any others? Repeat violators should definitely be Felons!

[ViRedd]

IMO, the answer is to shut the border down tight. No one gets in via the Southern Border. While I agree, the Mexcians have excellent work ethics, and teriffic family values, in the long run, shipping the illegals back and shutting the border would work to their advantage. There's no doubt that the reason they are coming here by the millions is to seek a better economic life for themselves and their loved ones. I would do the same in their situation and I assume most of those posting to this thread would do the same. Looking a little deeper, the reason they are coming here is because the Mexican economy is broken. The reason for this is that Mexico has a political system whereby the few plunder the many. Rich in natural resources and attractive to the tourist trade, Mexico has everything it needs to prosper. The only ones prospering at the present time in Mexico are the few families who control the country from the top on down. Shut the border down, let Mexico have its internal revolution, and in turn, change their government to one that's going to get out of the way and let the free market flourish with the resulting consequence of prosperity for their people.

I say, in addition to sealing the border, fine employers who hire illegals the first time; jail the second time. When there are no more jobs for illegals to do here, they will go back home to change their country. This will only happen if the border is sealed shut so they cannot return illegally.

Its true that illegal Mexicans do the hard menial jobs like picking fruit, etc., but LEGAL Mexicans can pick it just as well and pay taxes to boot.

Vi

[lucke]

i was born and raised in california, i lived there the first 22 years of my life now i live in the south. I have seen it go from not 1 mexican to a ton due to the chicken/turkey plants. The bad thing is they advertise the work in mexico, so they come. Ive seen them take over a lot of the construction jobs too & have hired a bunch, becuse the hillbillies are lazy & mexicans will work circles around them.They sure dont have it easy, cuz most wont hire them due to RACISM.
What my point is that what makes america the melting pot.They said the same thing about your family when they migrated here, get rid of them there taking all the work. so shoot emm LMAO
what about canadians(not that they want to come here)cubans,hatians,perto ricans,indians, i mean mexico is only part of it. I will agree its not right for them to come illegally BUT what would you do?
I cant say i blame them. my great grandfather told me stories about when they came from italy, people saying the same thing about them. Unless your an american indian your family migrated here, so they were in the same boat.

[Slarty]

All the talk about sealing the southern border is just politicians blowing smoke, it will never happen. Saying the Mexicans will do the work that Americans wont is crap too. It's being said by the employers so they can hire illegals for less money and line their pockets, it's not like the illegals can complain to anyone.

the reason they are coming here is because the Mexican economy is broken. The reason for this is that Mexico has a political system whereby the few plunder the many.
Yes, but there is also a corruption on the American side that has set-up the employment system that draws the illegals. The Mexican workers are the visible symptom of the greater disease.

[Carpet Muncher]

there's a big difference between legal and illegal immigration.. the difference used to be lost on me.. until i saw the consequences of living "Imagine" <lennon> and not having borders.. from cali.

number one on my list is hospital closings.. and a ton of other shit that equates a lower quality of life for everyone here.

second, is the 'we were here first, so we have a right to be here', separatist mentality.. exeplified by the fact that the vast majority refuse to learn english.

are borders and governments manmade, and in an ideal world we wouldn't have either? of course. but reality's a bitch and then you die.. so in the meantime, the next time one of the bleeding hearts find him/herself in cali and needs to visit an ER, you should know exactly why it's taking 2+hrs to be seen, and why your bill is so high.. it's because your hardworking, family oriented southern neighbors are sucking this country dry.

[phlegmbae]

There's no simple solution. The predicament we're in with "illegal" aliens is a very complex one for sure. What do some of you really think the solution to this situation is?
What I think is bullshit is the Mexican Labor day which is coming on Monday. Shops around here, including Walmarts, and many popular retail outlets are going to be shut down because Mexicans are boycotting many buisnesses, and are taking the day off to protest! Anyone remember that movie "A day without a Mexican"? Well Monday is it! They aren't getting paid for their day off, but that's another situation. Why do Mexican's get to celebrate a Mexican National holiday? I know many blacks take MLK's b-day off too. But MLK was an impressive forward seeing american. Mexican holidays have nothing to do with America. What's everyone's oppinion of that?

[c-ray]

tribal warfare...

[OneLegUp]

I don't give a damn who someone is, religous upbringing, color of skin etc...

It don't mean shit to me... and I have long stated I admire ANYONE who strives for a better life...........I admire hardwork and if I could trade the white trash/welfare monger/government tit sucking waste of life in the US for people wanting to work and raise families in the USA... I'd do it in a nanosecond.

Alas that will never happen...

For those coming to America 2 conditions...love and honor your new home America and learn the fucking language..........your supposed to do that to become a citizen....

Teddy Roosevelt said it best and was/is right:

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Now to illegal immigration.....

Here are some facts you should know:

40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

Over 2/3’s of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.

In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).

(All 10 from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.
http://www.cis.org/

Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.

The cost of illegal immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University].

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE .

29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.


and lastly..lucke...... ain't no real native to America or the Americas... fact the origin of man NEVER took place in the Americas.........

Recent archaelogy has proven that there were multiple waves of pre-Columbian immigration.

Through the Bering strait, from Polynesia, the Vikings, there's even some evidence of a wave of pre-Viking European immigration.

Point is there is zero evidence that the origin of man is North America, Central America or South America. Quite to the contrary. Evidence points almost exclusively to Africa...

What then is so special about the year 1492?

Everyone who immigrated here before that year is legitimate, everyone who immigrated here after it is not?

Then there is the interbreeding between the people of the various waves.
And let's not forget how the various tribes and nations were quite busy killing each other off and taking each others land, long before Columbus got within ear shot of the Caribbean.

You see the point.......... no one is really a "native" in the truest sense, some just got here sooner than others...

[c-ray]

you need to check out the mtDNA haplogroup X

[ViRedd]

Well, the illegals are not immigrants. Immigrants are those folks who came/come here through the legal process of immigration. Illegals are trespassers. They are guilty of breaking and entering. They have broken our immigration laws, and with Mondays demonstrations about to take place, they are flaunting it in our faces. Again, seal the border, fine employers for first offenses per employee. Second offense, jail time. No more will get in illegally and the ones who are here will find their jobs dried up. Viva la Revolution de Mexico!

Vi

PS: What do you guys think about a constitutional amendment whereby those born here to illegals no longer automatically become U.S. citizens?

[capt carnuba]

Well folks, I hate to say it ,but it's about ideas. A community is supposed to share them.Thus heritage,tradition and culture is preserved and there is striving in common. Without this common uniting thread a nation's only common goal is to outdo the other guy and that nation is easily divided and conquered. Naturalization of a small percentage of the total population is the only way to maintain this balance. On the topic of the Italian immigration, they were brought plain and simply to fill the vacant blue collar positions that required skillsets not necessarilly touted by citizens. But, This wasn't a potential tenth of the total population and most were successfully naturalized due to this. Barring the Anchor law is a good idea.

[capt carnuba]

It's good to see some righty slant here lately. That means I can put RMN away and Slarty is safe from my litany of quotes.

[c-ray]

How about taking 20 miles on each side of the border and turning it into a free-for-all free trade orgy zone where anything goes?

[phlegmbae]

If all things fall in cadence with current events, we could end up with a hell of another terrorist group in the US. But that's not the subject of this post. Nor do I even want to think about that. Oops! Too Late!!!!! Lol! I shudder to think of what might happen at one of those demonstrations on Monday. And I can't believe how many people were buying ammunition at the sporting goods store tonight. I had to stand in line for 15 minutes to get shells! Damn, and I love Mexican food!

[Roscoe]

The problem has gotten to the point that *all* of our law-makers cannot pass legislation or enforce what is passed because they are afraid of backlash from then new power of the illegals. None of the present bills is any different than the laws passed 10 years ago which were never enforced (like fining employers). Back then there were only 2 million, now there are 11-12 million. Its reached a 'tipping point' as the pundits say.
BTW, the worst part of previous laws is the 'naturalized at birth' portion. Can you think of any other country that allows this?

[Slarty]

Canada

[capt carnuba]

Well, I guess it's time to choose America or Aztlan. Politicians will follow the people. Crusaders leading the way is a thing of the past.

[capt carnuba]

Canada fast lined a couple million Hong Kongers pre Chinese takeovers. This drove the real estate markets on both Coasts into a bubble that it still hasn't recovered from. However, Canadas infux was namely of the upper classes, paying dearly,for their immigration. It is also rather prominent that they were never really assimilated or Canadianized. Vive le Tribalism Stupide.

[Lothar of the Hill People]

The door to my house is a man-made border. People who are invited, or knock (the "visa procedure"), are guests and I treat them appropriately. People who sneak in the back door are lucky if they don't get shot after the dogs are through with them.

Illegals aren't bonded/insured, so no matter how little they work for, I don't want them on my property. In other words, if they haven't followed the rules, I'm not going to be responsible for them or the damage they have the potential to create. Same goes for flag waving carpet baggers who try to work cheap. It isn't racism, it's just self-protection.

I am an American. My great-great-grandparents, on both sides, followed the rules and came here legally. They struggled, were treated like shit, and worked their way up to give me a better life. There are still today good, honest people who follow the rules. I won't shit on them by allowing two truckloads (100,000 or so) of Mexicans to queue-jump through bullying.

[phlegmbae]

I feel the same way about immigrants. My father had to go through all the steps to become a US citizen, and so have millions of other immigrants. That's where the difference in this post is. We're talking about the millions of undocumented illegal Mexican folks. I'm not saying they're bad. Quite the contrary. I just think they need to do the same as all others have before them. This is automatically going to cause resentment, and prejudice to many of our citizens who've never felt this way before. What the Mexicans have done is mastered our system, and used it against us as if they were American citizens. I don't think that is right. Our system is far from flawless. It's a work in progress, but there needs to be some sort of amendment against this type of thing.
Thanks for all the enlightened replies people!

[capt carnuba]

Mexican Congress Supports
Insurrection In US
Declaration Of War
Lou Dobbs
Tonight - CNN
4-30-6


Dobbs: "The Mexican government lawmakers last night passed a resolution showing their overwhelming support for the demonstrations and boycott in the United States. All political parties in the lower house of the Mexican Congress approved the resolution. This is just the latest example of Mexican politics trying to influence U.S. policy and U.S. public opinion in the illegal alien amnesty debate."


http://www.americanpatrol.com/

[ViRedd]

Well, its no suprise that the Mexican government is in support of continuing the stats quo. With the exception of Mexico's oil exports, American dollars sent back across the border by their citizens living illegally here in the U.S. is the largest source of cash flowing into the Mexican economy. And, as I alluded to in a previous post, our open borders act like a pressure relief valve on a pressure cooker. Without our open borders, Mexico would explode in revolution. Because we Norte Americanos have conditioned ourselves to believe that the illegals from Mexico are nothing more than a cheap source of labor used for the purposes of mowing our lawns, washing our cars, cleaning our houses and wiping the snot from the noses of our children, we have created the demand that will continue the supply. Looked at from a different perspective ... the illegal Mexican worker is nothing more than America's slave class. We should be ashamed of that. The illegal trespassers need to be sent home to fight their battles there.

Vi

[phlegmbae]

Right On Vi! Have you considered politics?????

[capt carnuba]

LOL, Why not ask him if he's ever thought about prostitution, on the recieving end. ;)

[country boy]

The 10% control 90% axium is still in effect all over Central and South America.
Fleeing from starvation is an old human trait...

The tightening of immigration to America as a 'pressure relief' valve is concidered, by some, as a cause for WW1...surplus populations and all that...
discus among yourselves...:-)

Remember NAFTA? Now dirt farmers in Mexico can't even afford to buy seed corn because it's all F1's from Monsanto...


Damn it, i'm too old to learn Spanish...

P-FYI-MLK Day is also 'Confederate Memorial Day' in some states and 1 can chose which to take as a holiday...

[ViRedd]

1. Politics? Not me ... I'm carrying way too much baggage. The press might find out, then I'd be sunk for good. *lol*

2. Prostitution? Just another term for being engaged in politicking. :)

3. I read somewhere (sorry, no link) that over 40% of the work being done by illegals is done for the individual home owner. Need some furniture moved? Bricks layed? Weeds pulled? Landscaping done? Just go to Home Depot and pick out your crew.

4. Don't be suprised when your job just disappears one day.

Vi