new kid... first post

[gforce]

the whole vert grow thing is lost on me... ive been reading the threads and i am still unsure on the concept... at first glance i thought it meant some sort of trellis system... then i regestered and saw some fotos... i understand that this is a higher yield system. is the idea to surround the lamp with plants for better light penetration...? if so, is this an idea to get max yield from a confined space...? in my area, i can have 6 plants flowering and 18 in other states of growth legally... so space is not an issue, lighting is not an issue, and the law is not an issue... does this system have anything to offer my needs, or is it for closet growers who need to keep an eye on electricity usage...? thanks ... love the site....

[c-ray]

sure
you can hang your lights vertically and surround them with 6 plants, depending on how tall your plants are you can use a 1000w or possibly additional smaller lights...put a box fan below the lights to push lots of air upwards
if you want to get creative you can make a 4 foot diameter circle out of some fencing and weave your plants into it, and train them like a scrog (screen of green) but go vertical
it helps to have vigorous plants in this case because you are looking at a minimum veg of 1 month, more likely 2 months

[The Cannarchist]

You'd do better to use a large trash can filled with coir/perlite mix and feed organic teas.6 in clone,6 in veg then 6 in bloom.Plus 6 left over as Mums.You could cycle 6 different strains every two months.At a pound a plant yield per crop.2 month veg - two month flower.

nice and simple.6kw flower room,2kw veg room,400w for mums and a shelf for clones....

voila your half way there already.

welcome,gforce.

[gforce]

i understand the wattage = heat equation, however would there be any gain in adding more lighting to increase yield at some point in the process...? in the past i was always careful to keep wattage down to avoid unwanted attention. can you ever get too much light when your source is man made...?

[The Cannarchist]

Thats as much as you'll need.Over that is wasted imho.

[Lungus]

Optimum watt/foot ratio with HID light is 40-60 watts/sq.ft. Remember light is the engine that drives growth, if you cheap out on the light you aren't going to get as much yield. If you only have 1 or 2 HID's fugetaboutit, it ain't gonna register, but you start firing up a half a dozen or more 1000 watters, you seriously have to check out what maximum legitimate consumption would be in that type of building and not get much beyond that.

[gforce]

i am building my own space, dedicated to this specific purpose...there are NO limiting factors here...the space could have a 100 amp box, if needed... i just know that man made lighting pales in comparison the sun and am wondering if more light could be better if heat could be controlled.... i know that for most uses a 1000 watt lamp will do for a 10' square space

i guess what i am thinking is perhaps a central 1000 watt lamp in a vert garden with 4 smaller lamps in the outer edges for fill in lighting... my friend gets a nice yield using a single 1000 watt lamp in the veg room with soil pots and guanno... its old school...its forgiving... it works... he brews his beer in the next room and vents the off gassing co2 into the grow room...like i said... old school...


i am just looking to get the max yield from the 6 plant max the law allows me and will go full hydro if needed... so i'm just contemplating the lighting part of the equation this week... simply looking for optimum yield... perhaps a single 1000 watt lamp, perhaps 6 to 8 250 watt lamps... i'm just looking for input...

and thank you for the welcome and the input... i like it here...its a whole different world than back in the day..... j

[c-ray]

like cannarchist says if you want to get crazy you can go with lots of lights, surround your plants with lots of 1kws and consider air cooling them, give them as much root space as possible regardless of the system you use...you can grow trees if you want to

[Green Supreme]

Dude, 6 plantys in Deep Water Culture with a 1000 watt on each planty. Aircooled and A/C'd wahoooo. Go big or go home. High five, yes. Peace GS

[gforce]

Dude, 6 plantys in Deep Water Culture with a 1000 watt on each planty. Aircooled and A/C'd wahoooo. Go big or go home. High five, yes. Peace GS

what sort of yield can a person get from something like this...? can you point me to a thread...?

[justcurios]

as much as the strain will allow, providing you keep up your end of the bargain. watch those temps, they reak havoc on a crop. keep it below78 degrees f.

[gforce]

thats understood... but given a fat yielding strain, what sort of yield could someone expect...? thanks..... j

[Lungus]

If done correctly, you can get .75 gram per watt once your room is dialed in. Expert growers, depending on the strain, can get 2+ lbs. per 1000 W bulb.

[vapor]

you should be able to pull between a pound and two pounds per 1000 watts, keep your rez cool...

[vapor]

Hey parabola got any of those budmeister pics around??

[Parabola]

no budmeister pics. I'll describe it though. a single apollo 11 cutting that was very high yeilding because of it's beefy buds and its propensity to stretch quite a bit in the first three wks of flower was grown in a laundry tub DWC setup. The light was hung vertically directly over the center of the plant and the branches were trained out around the bulb and arranged so they surrounded it like a vert setup. Aprox four weeks veg and 8 wks flower consistently produced single plant yeilds in the 2lb range. Top yeild I witnessed was 2.25 dry weight. This method was devised to maximise yeild with the lowest possible plant count. The fellow growing this way had only three plants in flower at any one time and less than 10 total plants in his house at any given time.

[gforce]

yes... THATS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT...:smoke3: a pound a plant is what i would think your AVERAGE yield would be... if i could coax twice that much... well....thats something to aspire to. this is gonna be fun...

[Green Supreme]

You can do it. gforce gforce gforce. Peace GS

[gforce]

Dude, 6 plantys in Deep Water Culture with a 1000 watt on each planty. Aircooled and A/C'd wahoooo. Go big or go home. High five, yes. Peace GS

from what i remember, full hydro is the most demanding [as well as the most rewarding] growth medium out there... the last time i grew it was in 10 gal soil pots with guanno and fish ferts... i know there must be billions of different takes on the hydro approach but i believe the aim is to deliver nutrients with the maximum amount of air at the roots while keeping an eye on the ph levels... this was a bitch back in the day, and i imagine its still no walk in the park, however i think i'm up to it... my favorite system was the flood table with a reservoir below cycling several times a day... is this something like the above mentioned deep water culture...? someone give me your take on the hydro angle... thanks all.....

[justcurios]

g-force, take a look at the ask lucas threads, he seams to be the dr. on board as far as hydro.

[Green Supreme]

Word jc. There are several threads in the Hydro forum with DWC info. I suggest going through it to gain a fair understanding. {pH isn't so bad now with all the different types of pH meters]. Good luck. Peace GS