what's happening? Healthy clones wilt and die !

[Cannafornia]

Hey all, I just did a round of cuttings and everything seemed to go fine, I had 4 flats and I picked 30 of the best, most vigorously rooted clones for my next run.

They were in 1.5 inch rockwool cubes and went into straight coco coir. About five days ago and literally overnight six of the clones went limp as you can see in the pictures. I have no clue what it was, there are no visible pests, the other clones are alright (they may look weak but I have to keep them small until they're ready to rock, no veg space etc.)

It hit both the blockhead and sour diesel, very strange I sprayed them and the substrate with eco neem soap I am thinking maybe I damaged the roots on these plants while transplanting? Do I have thrips? I have no leaf damage or spotting anywhere in fact my only bug problem is these tiny flies that land on my light bulb and then fall onto the sticky leaves.

so it wasn't heat, wasn't lack of water, don't think it's a pest, what is it?

[Irie1]

Looks to me like you hit them with too much light. Were they in a dome before transplant? If so, you may have been able to prevent this by A.) putting the dome back on for a day or so after transplant, or B.) using a less intense light source like fluorescents for a few days till the plants take to the coco. I have done this myself in the past. If you spray them down with some H2O and Nitrozyme or Magic Green that works great too, to keep them healthy till their roots take off. Good luck next time!:tokie:

[Cannafornia]

Too much light is not an issue, they are vegging under the same light that I rooted them under, in the domes of course. If anything they don't have enough light, I have a fixture with the skinny t5 or t8 bulbs and I have to have it high enough to light some plants you can see in the background. But the other ones are fine, just in a slower mode of growth as I said earlier to keep them smaller.

This is still a mystery! If i was rich and eccentric, well make that if i was rich, I'd hire a private eye to figure this one out. Or maybe it would be cheaper to buy an aero cloner!

[Parabola]

the little flies sound like fungus gnats. did you leave the dome on too long or is your environment highly humid??

[plantbuilder]

coffee with legs!

[Cannafornia]

Fungus gnats, aha! That is what they are, it's been so long since I had any pests or problems that I forgot what they were. So do you think that they could have done in some of my clones?

I didn't think they were a problem in coco fiber with mostly chem nutes, but I will start bottom feeding the clones and go get some of those predatory nematodes and tactical nuclear neem shots.

Where do these fuckers come from? I am in a second story apartment with no houseplants and don't visit people's grows, but somehow they found me.

This is why I posted, look we got some progress! Thanks!

[Cannafornia]

Oh and they werent in domes too long, but at the beginning I think the rw was too wet I didn't drain it enough. But so what everything rooted fine... I really want an aero cloner.

[Parabola]

http://ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn7448.html

the fungus gnat larvae eat your roots.

[humble1]

dude. fungus gnats hit coco like crack cocaine. treat early and often.

[Irie1]

Hey, humble....what is your recommended treatment method?

[Cannafornia]

God damn, this means war! If those little fucking commie bastards think they can redistribute my wealth of roots amongst themselves, they are sadly mistaken. I'm out to get some nematodes and keep up the neem treatment on the babies. My big ones that are more than halfway done, seem like nothing has bothered them maybe they were healthy enough before the fuckin gnats got in here.

It's so nice, when things just flow. . . now I got this shit to deal with. A winged insurgency.

[c-ray]

the Bti (Bacillus thuringienis israelensis) mosquito dunks work great and work pretty much overnight in my experience

[vapor]

those little yellow stickies work well place them at the base of plant.Let your soil get as dry as possible....

[humble1]

and if all else fails, sterilize your room and apply a heavy neem soil drench.

[humble1]

strike that. reverse it.ok

[Jiminy Cricket]

So after you've put out those little yellow stickies
have you seen any of these on the traps yet?
7309

you said, literally overnight six of the clones went limp

there are no visible pests

I sprayed them and the substrate with eco neem soap

I am thinking maybe I damaged the roots on these plants

so it wasn't heat, wasn't lack of water, don't think it's a pest, what is it?


If anything they don't have enough light

at the beginning I think the rw was too wet I didn't drain it enough







As above, so below






'Read and listen to the plants, they know the answers'

goodluck,

[Cannafornia]

thanks for the input mr cricket, but it's a moot point since my quotes were before I ever entertained the idea of fungus gnats. I was grasping at straws as it were, no I didn't damage the roots and like i said everything rooted great but im doing it less wet next time.

And Im keeping the light a little bit away from them for a point, like I said too. By the way I dont know about those damned t5's or t8's whatever this light roots great but for vegging, cool white flouros just cannot be beat.

It's the gnats. They sprang a surprise attack on me.

[humble1]

they are invasive little bastards. remember to reapply nematodes and/or BTi if you do go all the way to defcon 5 and lay down the heavy neem soil drench.

[vapor]

sometimes they like to hide in your household drains and such....

[c-ray]

they love apple cider vinegar for some reason

[Albi]

I think the wilt is from too wet soil. A fan could speed up the drying process.

[Jiminy Cricket]

I think that's good advice Albi,

but it's a moot point

The guy with the root rot has figured out why he has fungus gnats:snore:

Amazing how after all his care the plants will come around, gnats successfully beaten, till the next transplants.

peace

[Cannafornia]

Nematodes deployed, I can only imagine the carnage about to go down. America, fuck yeah!

Dude (u know who you are), my whole tip is don't talk down to me like i'm a noob. That's all. I've been cruising fine for a while now without probs and this comes up . . .

Bottom line we post here to get constructive feedback.

[budular]

Cannaforn, use some gnatrol it's a bacillus they got it at fertile world.
Irie, Bud

[Jiminy Cricket]

wowzers, i was about to give up till i saw a little silver lining.
we post here to get constructive feedback
so i wanna share this helpful link right off the bat:) http://www.maximumyield.com/article196.htm

For starters...can you answer my very first question...did you trap this bug yet?


I've been cruising fine for a while now without probs and this comes up . . .


A true measure of a learned grower is to experience a vast array of issues and confront and conquer them. Don't get excited, but post count has nothing to do with it.
'Read and listen to the plants, they know the answers'

When I first looked at your plant pics, they looked drowned, like they could not breathe, lack of root oxygen. The plants were literally aborting parts of themselves in an attempt to stay alive. They can not stand without 'legs.' So, soggy roots, caused root putrefaction. If you really do have fungus gnats, this is what they would be feeding on.

So if Bottom line we post here to get constructive feedback then lets make sure to never look a gift horse in the mouth

Really i was only trying to help you help yourself. You gave many intentional and unintentional clues. I'm not the only one that will tell you that you drowned them after tranny. I'm sorry if that upsets you somehow. please accept my appolgy.

peace and good luck

[humble1]

your link to the maxyield article was well timed and mighty pertinent but i think cannafornia was objecting to your tone, rather than your content, brother.
and here's the exact line that did it

Quote:The guy with the root rot has figured out why he has fungus gnats
Amazing how after all his care the plants will come around, gnats successfully beaten, till the next transplants.

[Cannafornia]

Pride's not the problem, but the link was a good article. Thanks man for taking time to add to this thread, that's awesome. And you're definitely right about overwatering, I guess in coco the larger plants can handle saturation but not the fresh clones especially with that rock wool around the roots. I usually pull off as much RW as possible but these were rooted like crazy it woulda hurt them.

It's all good, and I'm not just thanking one person I appreciate everyone's input you all rock peace.

[justcurios]

yeah , what he said.