herm problems

[justcurios]

10" Pots Miricle Grow Soil
Bloom Plus During Flowering With Occasional Flush
1000 Watt Hps Vented 8"-12" From Tops On 12 - 12 Cycle On-11am-
11-pm
6-8 Weeks Old. Veg. For 4-6 Weeks Flowering Now 2-3 Weeks.
Strain Unknown. Commercial Decent Mid Grade. Destroyed All Apperant Males. Females Were Obvious.( Sexy Little Things )
Now It Seems The Females Are Showing Signs Of Male Parts.
I Have Seem Pics Of Herm. Plants. And I Hope This Is Not What I Have.
The Temp. Does Stay A Little High At 85. Humidity At 40-50.
The Seed Pods-? Seem To Be Empty And Fall Right Off. The Buds Look Great. I Grew A Similar Strain Outdoors This Summer, And They Did Great. I Dont Remember This Happenning. Please Help

[c-ray]

you might have hermies, either you kill them or just keep watching for hermie flowers and pick them off when you see them...

[justcurios]

thank you c-ray for posting your opinion. i heard unstable strains can change sex easily. any thoughts. i have a few skywaker cuttings and i hope they do well. what about temp.? can this change a plants gender.

[c-ray]

every female has the ability to put out hermie flowers, but whether or not that will happens depends on the genetics, how resistant they are, and also the stress that occurs in the garden...but if there is no stress in the garden and they are still putting out balls then you probably have a hermie-prone strain

[justcurios]

thanks again for the reply c-ray. i belive the plants being of a commercial strain, probably is hermie pron for crop replenishing purposes. unfortunetly i am in a location were good clones or seed are hard to accomadate. so i hope to have high yeild with the commercial strain with little difficulties. or so i hope. any and all hints are welcome.

[Tug]

I had herms on Sativa's from using too strong/too much nutrient.
You might try using a weak dose on any Sativa based strains......

peace - Tug

[Parabola]

is it possible that you have a daylight light leak in your room? if the lights come on at 11 am there is a few morning hours when it is light outside but should be dark in your room. I have witnessed a cutting or two that would herm like crazy due to light leak stress.

[justcurios]

thank you parabola for your in-put. unfortunetly i have a partner who picked the light schedule. i will try to check for any light leaks. maybe 15 minutes or so before the lights turn on. would it be detrimental to change the light schedule now? thanks again for all the input.

[c-ray]

would it be detrimental to change the light schedule now?

yes

[goldking]

Just, i,m curious, what is 'Bloom Plus' your using, i,m sometimes out of touch, stuck in my old ways and all :-)

are your hermied plants sativas? if so sativas should be feed, 'weakly' 'weekly' at around 600PPM and very low N in bloom(depending on strain of course) yes check for light leaks but you,ll have to go into the room when the lights are off, if you find leaks,plug them with a lil fiberglass insulation etc

my lights are on 7am-7pm in the winter,then i just change them to 12am/12pm come spring cause the evening sun isn't as bright, the 5hr switch has never bothered anything here.

i,m in the land of the Midnight Sun, dark all winter so just closing the door of the bud room is enough, in the summer with 24/7 sunshine, light comes in around wall sockets,around door/floor trim etc etc

in the summer i can go in my bud room and after acclimating to the darkness i can allmost read a book, but no growth or hermie problems in a decade, if lil pin hole leaks really mattered that much, the stars and moon and over head aircraft lights etc would actually prevent all outdoor plants from budding and they would all be hermies too.

"think about it" after all,who's smarter then Mother Nature anyway, surely not me.

OH ,now for the shit storm about light leaks hehehe

howdy C Ray you ever do any Autowarp x Swt#3, the first one are looking GGGreattt!

please disreguard all info above,it was posted by a dope smoker and has no creditability.

stay warm GK

[justcurios]

checked for light leaks this morning and it was completly dark. I BELIVE THE STRAIN IS AN INDICA BECAUSE IT HAS VERY BROAD GREEN LEAVES WITH 9 FINGERS ON THE BIG LEAVES. the bloom agent is shultz bloom plus
10-54-10 i think. i dont have it with me. i would like to go all organic but the area i live in does not have up to date resources available. maybe soon.

[justcurios]

how about destroying the young males in the same room as the garden. could this have pollenated my innocent females? or maybe are the females producing seed like organs around the base of the flower or branch node, in an attempt to regenerate. hopeful thinking i guess. are these '' hermies'' a threat to the rest of my colony. ihope i am not already doomed. any thoughts.

[c-ray]

where are the hermie flowers..? below the buds hanging on the nodes, inside the buds, on the outside of the buds or on the tops of the buds?

[justcurios]

below. i did notice a yellowish mass inside the tops on a few

[c-ray]

ok sounds like you got full on hermies
do you have a camera? it would be nice to see what it is exactly you are talking about here

[justcurios]

i would like to post pics. but i am still a bit weary about security. also the process of uploading photos on to site.

[Lungus]

To date, no one has ever been busted due to pics of weed they put up on the net. Selling seeds, yes, putting up pics of individual plants, no.

[justcurios]

right i guess just the thought of breeching security here on the homefront. but i will try and comply with pics tomorrow if i can get them on this site. i have uploaded one pic of an alligator on my profile ,so it should not be much different. thank you all for responding.

[goldking]

If you have males in the grow room, get rid of them, they will seed up everything,and the hermie females will make a Zillion 50% hermie seed offsprings.

kill them quick.

if everythings hermie,and thats all you have, you might as well finish them and consume them, just toss the hermie seeds along the roads somewhere away from your house in the spring..

i do that with poppy and bogus herb seeds every spring.. mixed into Mudballs and thrown out the car window.. SOW the SEED

stay warm GK

[Tug]

According to Marijuana Botany (RC Clarke) breeding correctly with hermies can help produce a generation of plants that are resistant to herm tendencies.

peace - Tug

[c-ray]

tug RC is talking about a specific type of MALE hermie, the kind of male that makes a tight cluster of male flowers then puts out a few hairs on the top

[justcurios]

that is why i questioned the thought of destroying the young males in the same room, in turn pollenating the entire herd. but the males were just starting to show those damn balls. now like i say every plant has swown a sign of male gender. we pick them off carefully. hopefully today i can find a decent pi to take . thanks peace out

[goldking]

Just,why are there males in you budding room anyway, you plan on breeding all the female hermies for some reason?, dump the males, finish and consume the hermies and start again with some good seed.

start the good seed ( twice what you,ll need) in another room about a month before harvesting the hermies and then put the new seedlings into 12/12 after cleaning the pollen out of the bud room

stay warm Gk

[justcurios]

gk what up? thanks for the reply. as i mentioned before im fairly new at indoor gardening, in case you couldnt tel. ya right. any way i had 13 plants that veged for 6 weeks. with no sign of sex we dropped the light cycle to 12-12. 4-5 days later they started to show there sex. immediately we destroyed the males. now approx 2 weeks from that i am where i am. i am close to ordering seed but am unsure as to where to aquire. i took a couple pis yesterday but it is hard to find the hermie parts because we have been picking them off . i did see a couple but not many. i will try to upload pics if i can figure it out. any input will help. i have a closet in the room with seedlings and a few clones that i aquired , wish me luck , is this closet in harms way if they are not in bloom.

[justcurios]

well hope this pic dosent pollenate the site.

[justcurios]

this picture of my avatar is the same plant with the hermie flowers. i cant get it on the page but it will go as my avatar

[goldking]

Just, yep its a Hermie, you don't want them again or any of their offspring, but grow them out, picking off what balls you can. at harvest keep the seeds separate from anything else you might have and feed them to the birds or plant them outdoors somewhere..throw them along the public roads on a rainy days LMAO

don't waste your time and space growing out any of the seeds from the hermies, some will be female,but they will be very sensitive to becomeing hermies, the others will be hermies.

let the hermies ripen,there won,t be anything wrong with the smoke if the strains is good.

it is a drag to have a bum crop, may it be your first crop or 1000th, but thats life

good seeds,Hmmm! my last 2 orders from 2 reliable UK seed banks whom i never had a problem with in more then a decade, neither order arrived. :-)

i think its a Customs crack down and not the banks but either way i got burned pretty good.

i got some very great priced landrace indicas recently from Blue Hemp seed Co, 'Dark Kush 'a very robust pure killa Kush for about $40, their Red Lebanese is doing great too. I don't know if they ship to the lower 48 state??ask

so where are you at anyway justcurious???state/country wise?

Bloom Plus 10-54-10, Hmmm! thats a pretty potent dose of Phor, maybe you should switch to a more moderate full balanced nute, if theres a grow store near you, buy yourself a quart of General Hydrophonic 'Flora Nova' bloom, 4-8-7 and their Flora Grow, a quality nute formulated for the Herb more then anything else, with plenty of calicum,etc, its highly concentrated and will last you for ages, a quart of water weighs 2lbs, a gt of this is 3lbs, that why i first bought some,to see why it weighted so damn much, it only takes a dab per gallon,be careful, don't use more then recommended, or better yet a tad less.

theres allway something better and folks that will tell you so,but these one part nutes are all you will need intill your expert enough to know more then every one else.

a cheap veg nute is Peters 20 20 20 with micro, its a full balance veg formula,better then Miracle Grow.

and allways with nutes 'Less is Best'

PM me

stay warm . GK

[justcurios]

will these little bastards polenate my little clones in the closet? i hope not. i have 4 skywalker clones that just took off. and my freind gave me some ghani cuttings. i hope they are all ok if they are not flowering.any thoughts?

[goldking]

Justcurious, if your clones and cutting are still under 24/7 light and not flowering yet,they should be safe, let them grow big and healthy while the hermies finish, then after you clean the bud room well of pollen,switch them into 12/12 if their large enough look at the clones closely,if they have a stray hair or two growing on them, and they become seeded, pluck and chuck the hermie seed.

stay warm GK

[justcurios]

thanks for the reply g.k. my clones do have visible hairs and so do my fresh cuttings. so i hope they do not get pollenated. which brings me to my next question. should my friend be clipping his plants during flowering. or will it affect the cuttings in an adverse manner. or possibly does it not matter. any thoughts?

[Lungus]

If the plants are only a couple of weeks into flower they will revert back to a vegetative state relatively quickly, but as they continue to flower it takes longer to get them to revert and some strains are almost impossible to revert once they're fully committed to flowering from what I've read. If you do revert a plant or clone later in flower it is supposed to be better not to use this plant as a long term mother but rather, once it's vegging again, take some cuts and use the quickest rooting, most vigorous clones for your mothers and then flower out the plant or flowering clone you revegged, or not because at this point that plant might herm out easier on you from all the monkeying around with it. It might be better to just kill it and flower clones taken off the mothers you made.

[Irie1]

I have found that the offspring from flowering plants, produce low quality results. I highly recommend taking the cuttings from vigorous plants that are in the vegetative phase of growth. I had a bad problem with hermies as well. A friend gave me some "feminized" seeds, and they shot off hermies that I couldn't even see. The end result was devastating, a loss of multiple #'s. Get them the heck out of there and be quick. Good luck!:ninja:

[justcurios]

man i just typed what felt like my life story went to post reply and it said i need to log in again and i lost it all. sonofabitch.

[justcurios]

well the moral of the story was i learned not to take short cuts. the question i had was is it true that it is legal to possess and grow limited amounts of marijuana in alaska?

[justcurios]

by the way thank you lungus and irie1 for the input. i will try to type my story again this evening now i must go to work. this sucks. about 20 degrees today.

[goldking]

Just, my experiance with taking cuts from budded plants is that for every lil white hair on the cut you get a branch, they grow looking like a hair brush, may skinny useless branches, i don't recomemd it unless its a very special lady.

Alaska M law, we were allowed to have 4oz legally and 8 oz a misdermeaner for about 30yrs with no MJ problems, then our last govenor who was so hated he did not make it thru the primarys(he's is gone Yeee Haaa!) did all the under hand things he could to kill the law the RAVEN act, he by passed the House decisions, he pressured the vote to be changed, he tried to make a single joint a 30 day sentence, now 1 oz is legal 1.1 oz is 90 days 4oz a felony. WHY would anyone bother with the herb when so much is wrong with the USA these days?? Its Simple $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

a new 750 bed Private 'punished for profit' Prison is coming to town and it has to be STOCKED, and who"s the easiest group of bad guys to collect and inprison, why the Smokers/growers of course :-(

so all the smokers and jokers are living in fear now, just like the rest of the world, and it sucks a big one .

stay warm, its 48 degrees warmer here today then yesterday, strange for sure but its OK with me later GK

[justcurios]

Thanks For The Info Gold King Sounds Like The Law Is Still Better There Than Here. 1/2 Oz And Less Is Only Misdemeanor Above Felony. Which Sucks Depends On The Cop If You Go To Jail Or Not. Small Amounts With Minimal Charges Sometimes Just A Ticket But Still A Misdemeanor.

[justcurios]

seems the plants slowed down or stopped putting off the male flowers. just kept taking them off. plants look good will post more pics this week. i will attempt this story again. this past summer i threw some seed i had aquired in a 5 gallon bucket . 13 plants sprouted. the seed was just some mid grade commercial. usually if i get some decent pot with a few good seeds, i will keep them.anyway after about 4-5 weeks i took out 9 of the weeklings. this left me with 4 plants, which i put high up in a tree. they all turned out female. what luck huh. any way plants were doing ok. freind suggested i use a bloom agent, so i got that 10-54-10. man they went off. i also used 1 tea spoon of granulated sugar. every thing seemed great. fed them every 3-4-5 days.plants made it threw a hurricane and every thing. i ended up with just over 90 grams of dried weed. nice lasted me two months.i had no problems with hermies outside. dont know why all the problems inside. different seed i guess. well i hope my cuttings take off. then i wont have to deal with seedling any more. unless i get the killer. i thought this was going to be easy. definitley not as easy as outdoor. by god i will get this right. might set up a small hydro set up but im sure it will be most difficult. i love a challange though.looks like some of my plants are starting to bend away from the light . is this normal? thanks for the input fellow heads.

[justcurios]

trying to update pics

[justcurios]

here goes

[c-ray]

what kind of cam do you have?

[justcurios]

hp photosmart 725v. got it for christmas. need it at work to show homeowners problems that they cant see.

[justcurios]

how does this top look ? for commercial midgrade dope>
let me guess.
like commercial midgrade dope!

[justcurios]

looking at all these posts , it looks like i like talking to myself. hmmm.

[Green Supreme]

LOL. At this point I'd say there is nothing left to do but ride it out. Keep an eye out for hermies to the end, then hopefully start fresh to avoid those problems again. Peace GS

[c-ray]

hmm never used an hp camera before but I am guessing there is no manual focus...macro? try shooting in the dark with a spotlight (flashlight) on the cola

[justcurios]

question- how about the switch lights on a surge protector, smoke detector, or small l.e.d. 's on heaters? do you guys think it would be enough lite to slow the flowering process. or make plants herm? ive had mine covered up with foil tape. but another freind i know does not. i also noticed one of mine fell off of my heater, so for maybe 1-2 days , it leaked light. l.e.d. is orange.thank you all for the input -J.C.

[justcurios]

any input about the led lights and light leaks?

[c-ray]

cover them with electrical tape

[justcurios]

fixin to take some of these hermie bastards. 2 this week 2 next week 2 the week after, then the last two. clean clean clean then start fresh with the good shit. the plants did not do to bad. there are some seeds. not as many as i expected. almost impossible to get all the male flowers off. at first sign of male flower get tmem out!!!!!

[heh heh]

so those little leaves are hermies? I wish someone had pics of whats good and whats bad. I know there are balls but I cant find any on my crop so i guess its possible that I too have hermie problems, and yes it is hard here to obtain seeds or cuts, our foriegn friends dont know how easy they have it! I would give my left nut to have someone to pull some cuts off of. Some fem. seeds thats a dream forget about it!!!!! [unfortunetly i am in a location were good clones or seed are hard to accomadate. so i hope to have high yeild with the commercial strain ]

[heh heh]

Is there any threads with pics that show what is good when flowering and what is bad? what to look for.......that would be a great thread pics of males, pics of hermies, pics of good females starting

[justcurios]

yo heh. i think i have a pic of the hermie flower back in this thread. by the way we sound like we have the same situation.