Any value in Male Hermis

[glass]

One of my outdoor males turned hermie and produced a few seeds. Are male hermies "bad", or are they useful somehow? And what about the seeds from one that mated with itself?

I have clone from it and figure I should ask here before tossing it out.


Thanks,
GM

[c-ray]

imho male hermies, like female hermies, are a sign that something is out of balance, some breeders say they will give you a higher female ratio in offspring but I have to wonder at what cost

[Parabola]

yes, they make a great addition to any compost pile

[Sativa Science]

Not in my program.I discard all plants that display the slightest hermi traits.....no matter how good some of them have been in other qualities. Many a male has been culled around here for spittin out a few pistils before death. A problem not noticed by many a breeder, since the male is usually only kept around long enough to spit pollen. One must be persistant to eliminate the wicked hermi.....test,test, then test again.....then breed.

got nuthin but time..take it easy.

[c-ray]

and
one must have patience to see which males are resinous

[Sativa Science]

hey c ray you ever use the golden mean ratio when making selections? fibonacci #s?

[c-ray]

not yet
but
I want to build a mean golden greenhouse
and separate seeds based upon axial location upon the bud
just to see what happens

[Sativa Science]

Whats your hypothesis? Golden greenhouse?? mmmmmmmmmmm! considering the $ of a z exceeding the gold $ in some places...def. feasible.

[c-ray]

you got me all wrong
I'm not gold mining
I'm gold meaning
13 feet wide x 21 feet long x 8 feet tall (for instance)

[c-ray]

back to the male hermis
that's late heavy ethylene production, sounds like a plant trying to kill itself (since ethylene is the finishing hormone)

[Sativa Science]

I knew I read this somewhere.........here ya go glass.

" Crosses may also be performed to produce nearly all staminate offspring. This is accomplished by crossing a pure staminate plant with a staminate plant that has produced a few pistillate flowers due to environmental stress, or selfing the latter plant." pg.87 Marijuana Botany R.C. Clarke

[Sativa Science]

you got me all wrong
I'm not gold mining
I'm gold meaning
13 feet wide x 21 feet long x 8 feet tall (for instance)

AAAAAhhhhhh! I'm gold smoking,hence the confusion! lol. wonderful year.....

[glass]

I knew I read this somewhere.........here ya go glass.

" Crosses may also be performed to produce nearly all staminate offspring. This is accomplished by crossing a pure staminate plant with a staminate plant that has produced a few pistillate flowers due to environmental stress, or selfing the latter plant." pg.87 Marijuana Botany R.C. Clarke



So what exactly does that mean? Is Clark saying that male hermies are "bad", just like all of you said?


Be patient, I'm a little slow sometimes. ;)


Thanks,

[mace]

Isn't it normal that plants produce a lots of ethylene at the end?
Is it normal that it reverses because of high ethylene?
Is this a trait worth preserving?

Would you like to grow/breed plants that will morph if the environment isn't as good as it should be?

2 genders are enough imo, not on the same plant tough ;)

peace,

mace

[Sativa Science]

So what exactly does that mean? Is Clark saying that male hermies are "bad", just like all of you said?


Be patient, I'm a little slow sometimes. ;)


Thanks,

In theory the selfed male hermi seeds you have would produce all male offspring. Just like a selfed female would produce all females, in theory. Hermi traits are just like any other trait, more likely to occur in offspring if exhibited by the parent. hope that helps....just got off work and fogged a blimp!!!take it easy..

[c-ray]

I thought I read somewhere male selfed seeds produce 1/4 females, 1/2 males and 1/4 d.o.a seeds

[Sativa Science]

So would the 1/4 females being recessive be xx females then? I remember reading something similiar a few years back......always depends what text ya read.

[plantbuilder]

if this is true they would be 'Fm' females sativa science
the chance of the treatment morphing the staminate flowers to produce Mf pollen is unlikely
peace
plantbuilder

[Green Supreme]

Where's Chimera when you need him? LOL. Peace GS

[poorwhitefarmer]

very interested to learn more peoples experiences with offspring from using pollen from a male showing pistils. i had a killer queen male that had reversed on me and i had already hit a chinese indica with the pollen. i didnt let them finish when i found the pistils but several are pretty close. i may try em out someday.
great info yall!
peace,
pwf

[c-ray]

depends on the type of male..the type that I believe dj likes are the males that have tight clusters of balls and then they throw one or two pistils out of the top
in these particular males the pollen sacks are all tight together in the 'bud' formation and when they open up they don't hang so much like your standard male, they are unique looking males you will know when you see them, they actually look a lot like the male flower clusters one sees on a STS treated female plant (if you know what I'm talking about)
if you have a male that looks like a male with a normal open staminate structure and it throws a few pistils well that is more of a hermi plant and prob not worth breeding with imho

[thazed]

Never tried it...

Will do tho, just for fun....
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/LRG_photos/RevMale1_editedMedium.jpg

[purplehaze2]

alright so I had 3 females about a month away from harvest and I had to move to a different spot, in the house and when I harvesed, I had seeds is that do to the stress.and are my seeds going to be hermi prone

[The Apostle]

males produce x and y chromosomes so if you revers e one and self pollenate
you're going to naturally get a 50% ratio of females to males...

Pretty simple guys and gals...


Females only inhabit the XX chromosomes no variables here to be found..

Males with the XY combination and known as heterogametic give us a shot
at both...



Hope that clears it up for ya...


and on another note,,there is nothing wrong with a male
that is displaying both pistillate and staminate trust me..

This is a great thing! when breeding..as long as the stock
is bountiful with the other traits the breeder is longing for!

[c-ray]

using anything other than a clearly defined male or female is just asking for trouble down the line
imho
I don't have any practical data to back that up just a hunch

ethylene induced pistils will in theory produce 50% males, 25% females and 25% genetically sterile plants, though some of those males and females could very well be hermies too

[Alchemist]

I knew I read this somewhere.........here ya go glass.

" Crosses may also be performed to produce nearly all staminate offspring. This is accomplished by crossing a pure staminate plant with a staminate plant that has produced a few pistillate flowers due to environmental stress, or selfing the latter plant." pg.87 Marijuana Botany R.C. Clarke


Hi guys!

thanks sativa science for posting this!

I recently made some seeds from a dj short bb male that showed one branch female from some stress that i think was caused by a small light leak.
I crossed him with all my females at the time because his flower formation was exceptional and he reaked!

they are turning out nice so far! but i probably wont use them for any more seeds just use them as cool F1s

[Alchemist]

heres one at 20 and around 30 days at a friends under some compact fluors

[Alchemist]

I never let the male produce his own seeds which would have been interesting, i should have, oh well hind sight 20/20

[smokepurpsallday]

I recently had 3 hermis pollinate my female crop a little. I remove them from the room of course a little too late but I wanted 2 know if the seeds off my females will be 100% female. The hermis were purple and resinous so is this a good sign or bad someone who has knowledge please let me know. The females i have were clones so I know for sure that it was the 3 plants from seed that turned hermi on me. Also if you take a clone from a female that has been pollinated what will be the outcome when and if it roots and grows to maturity.

[DOZEE]

male Hermie can be valuable