?'s to make ya think.....

[Bram]

Well, I will start it off.

Did God really make man in his image?

or

Did Man make God in his image?

[Agent-Smith]

the latter, period.

[Timberdave]

Well I have seen the ancient carvings of the 2 beings with test tubes and other ancient carvings from different tribes around the world Thanks Discovery Channel and Civilization Channel and the Internet Archeology and Science sites

After all the info available it is pretty hard not to belive there are beings out there that make us look like DODO birds
Way Too much out there in space for us to be the only ones

There is no missing link we did not evolve from apes
The other prehistoric tribes that faded away were nothing more than failed experiments.
Then they got it as close as possible and Adam and Eve Blew It big time

Mucho Info out there that is being proven
:thumbsup:

oh yeah back to the Q LOL
Created in their likeness

[Tug]

I disagree.
We have enough evidence to prove (including DNA) that humans evolved from a lower life-form, and I researched and practiced archaeology for a few years, and I believe possibly ape-like.

Definately NOT the former, the latter.

peace - Tug

[Timberdave]

LOL

Thank God we will know soon
People laughed when I told them about the European Union and buy the Euro when it first came on the market a few did and made a bundle

Whats that sign about the leader of the European Union making peace with Isreal and 3 and 1/2 years in the peace is broken by the Russians and the war begins and China storms across the east Oh Yeah the revived Roman Empire

This is all only a decade away
The Time is comming and we will be around to witness this
Just watch the middle east and everything is playing out
Russia is doing their thing
China is doing there thing
The american gov has played their part which leads to the Euro Union stepping in which is the only way there will be peace but not for long
Isreal is building the Temple which is to be destroyed
It is like a live Theater Play
There would only be 3 POPE John Pauls and this pope is not
Hope CW is still around so we can discuss this as it unfolds
I am enjoying this very much
It is all good
just hang in there
:fly:

[tj_142]

Depends which of the books you believe, the koran, various versions of the bible, china's recorded history.

All started out as tales and morphed into fanatizsm of belief.

Its all in what you want to believe

[Lrus007]

Well, I will start it off.

Did God really make man in his image?

or

Did Man make God in his image?


there is no god
you better worship the sun
cuz if it goes out we are fucked

[Timberdave]

The thing is I am not religous never have been never will be

I just see what is going on and putting pieces of the puzzle together
My celtic cross avatar is pre-Christian

The world leaders know what is going on and playing their roles. They know they have read and studied along with their advisors. These things must happen and are.

It is just wild that these things just happen to be happening
I look for this stuff in the news to see how close we are getting what is going to happen next
Just an interesting hoby to kill time

They say the Great lakes will swell into one also
That will suck for alot of people me included thanks to the nuke reactors all over

From what I read there are only 5 safe spots on the planet where people will go to
One in Egypt, One in South America (odd), 2 in the US lucky bastards and one in Canada (phew). Does not seem good for Europe if this is correct

Do not get me wrong I have to see to believe kind of person
So far so good
Do not want to get caught with my pants down
Best to be ready than not

[Tug]

I have said this before and I am saying it again, I have a friend who attends Geo-Science courses at UBC, and when asked she states that our generation would be wise to acquire land, with trees (as a resource) and running water (preferably a spring, or well), and some skills at living off the land.
If not just for themselves, for the future of their progeny.

Hate to be a harbinger of doom, but I agree with Td somewhat, we are in trouble as a species, and a planet.

Great thread idea Bram, wise to awaken the masses as much as possible.

peace - Tug

[dragon]

Man made God..
This way the few could control the masses..
D

[Timberdave]

I learned this when I was a kid
Man made religion
Jesus preached the word of God
Religion and God gets confused

All religion is man made simple as that
That is why I am not religious
Religion was made to control man and greed took over
Clarify the West and whiteman religion is greed
Others are too poor and I think are ment to better man even though they are so called pagan gods
Do not worship Idols and statues they will not save you how can they in reality they are just material
It is what is within yourself they will save you

Jesus was a cool dude that went around and helped people no matter who you were or what you did
No hate no discrimination did not care try to help those that needed it and offered a way out
What is so wrong with trying to help people and succeeding with such a following
I would like to know where he was and what he did for all those years where nothing was said
For one man to do what he did in a short time and die for it that is something
Whether you believe in God or not he was something special
:thumbsup:

[Bogey]

Maybe some one can tell me why Dogs feel the need to Roll in Deer shit....I know there are some theorys but i can't remember them...All i know is he smells like hell and now i gotta go give him a bath before i puke from the smell....Things that make you go hmm....

[Timberdave]

Canines do it so they can sneak up their prey and the animal with think it is only another deer instead of a predator

:smoke3:

[Bogey]

Does that mean that the deer will think hes a can of Alpo if he was to roll in his own poo?....Thanks TD... but you would think that instinct would have faded in the dna makeup by now as they no longer have to hunt for food...

[Timberdave]

I cannot take my dog for a walk with out him hunting and stalking every scent or any thing that moves

I just enjoy watching him do it
People see him in stalk mode and they are afraid
He looks pretty cool to me when he stalks sleeks out, moves slowly then just a burst of energy and almost rips my arm of my shoulder Especially when he hits the end of the 30' lead
:taz:

[Bram]

WWJS - What would Jesus Smoke?

[Tug]

WWJS - What would Jesus Smoke?

Highend x Highend.... it is from Israel (Kanebosem)...... skunk pheno of course, nothing but the best for Jesus.

peace - Tug

[Green Supreme]

Would Jesus choose only one flavor?Now thats deep.Peace GS

[Tug]

Would Jesus choose only one flavor?Now thats deep
ROFLMAO

I'm sure if he could turn bread into fish, he could turn jammers into Special K......
(water into wine, whatever it was.... it's been 2000 years, am I supposed to remember forever?)

peace - Tug

[Green Supreme]

Help us Jeebus.LOL

[Timberdave]

I read somewhere that they found reminents of cannabis in those clay pots dating back to the times of Jesus and was used for medical puposes anyone else remember this
An ointment or something

[Agent-Smith]

it's the holy annointing oil, there was a post about it not too long ago, youshould search it, talked all about cannabis (kanebosem, kanaboom) in the bible.

[Bram]

I think Jesus would smoke any weed so long as it was well-grown and loved.

[Timberdave]

I have tried reading the Holy Books many times Bible, Koran, Satanic Bible
Never could finnish any of them
Bible had a hard time getting thru Genisis And all the Begots read some other parts still mean to read more.
Koran lost it do not know where it went might have lent it to somoene
Satanic Bible after my experience reading some of it on LSD and that Witch I was living with forget it just bad experience
Any other Holy books worth reading?

Do not understand how strong I am Spirtiually when I have never read the Holy books Hmm

[Bram]

Christianity is a farce imo. They claim to worship Jesus, and god through him, but what sort of religion kills their own Messiah and then whorships him cuz they killed him. Seems kinda fucked to me.

[Bram]

I doubt Jesus or God ever went around saying, 'hey give me 10% of your earnings or yur going to hell'

[dpn]

God has no image... i think they used to use cannabis as an incense and sit in a teepee like construction and get high that way.

[Bram]

I am my own God

[Bram]

And you are yours.

[Timberdave]

One way of looking at it is Good and Evil
Everyone has the ability for both your choice which one to follow
God and followers try to teach and spread good or their version like the hypcrytes out there in the name of god Examples in Each religion

Then Evil those that have no respect and selfish destroy and spreads like a disease because they think it is cool or do not want others to succeed or be happy because they are unable to. When something bad happens they blame God How can there be a God when all this shit happens. Well they did it not God No one to blame but themselves or those that actually did it Nothing to do with God
When something bad is happening or about to they say God help me and I will never to do it again It is your choice not Gods

There were teachings on a way to live and be happy nothing wrong with that
The 10 Commandments not sure what they are but seem to be general rules to live by to avoid trouble nothing wrong with that

Forget all the hypocrytes and extremists out for glory and greed get back to basics on living a good happy life without hurting others nothing wrong with that

Lost my train of thought need a bowl
Do not believe blaming God for disasters

Blame Adam and Eve for eating the forbidden fruit
I still have a beef with those 2
If I get to heaven I will take it up with them

[Buckwheat]

Christianity is a farce imo. They claim to worship Jesus, and god through him, but what sort of religion kills their own Messiah and then whorships him cuz they killed him
:Noooo:

[Timberdave]

Good catch Buckwheat
:smoke3:

He was killed for political reasons
too big of a following exposing coruptness by those in charge of the Religion
The Romans wanted nothing to do with it
The big boys wanted to squash an uprising and keep their piece of the pie
They had no idea what was to follow or that the west white boys would take the ball and run with it

[Bram]

Nah, the romans kept the ball in their court. the Vatican is the worlds richest country, I belive the smallest country in the world. And they would be pretty dangerous to fuck with too. I wonder how many people have just disappeared at the Vatican.

[Timberdave]

I agree with the Vatican being dangerous and corrupt
They are also suppose to side with the Euro leader in the Peace process when the shit hits the fan

Look at the shit the Pope stirred up with his last comments very dangerous fuel for the fire

They should share some of that wealth Yeah right feed their hungry followers
What a sham

[lucheeba]

Budha looks more like a real pothead to me. He was fat (munchies???) and spent most of his life sitting around with a smile on his face... I bet my skynny ass he was always high as kite!!!

[Tug]

Nah, the romans kept the ball in their court. the Vatican is the worlds richest country, I belive the smallest country in the world. And they would be pretty dangerous to fuck with too. I wonder how many people have just disappeared at the Vatican.

While I believe the Vatican to be the smallest country, it's BANK is the richest in the world, Brunei is the world's richest country (at least the Sultan is the world's richest man), no income tax, and all citizens get free university education should they desire it. I'm sure Saudi Arabia would contest that though.

peace - Tug

[Bram]

Budha looks more like a real pothead to me. He was fat (munchies???) and spent most of his life sitting around with a smile on his face... I bet my skynny ass he was always high as kite!!!
from smoking too much south east asians, oh wait. no such thing as too much :D

[bigsur51]

I doubt Jesus or God ever went around saying, 'hey give me 10% of your earnings or yur going to hell'

good discussion..........hello Bram , that statement is a good example of religion vs spirituality.......

religion wants 10% of yer cash , jesus wants 100% of yer heart......

am also of the opinion the he doesn't need cannabis , the Cat is already the Most High......

last humble opinion , when ya look at a watch , ya got to believe there was a watchmaker.......look at a snowflake , there had to be a snowflake maker......

for real though , i am just a big dummy , but when i look around at all the complexities of mother nature , the human body , and our solar system to name a few things , i can only stand in awe , i can guarentee you there is something out there that is bigger than us all.....

i just happen to believe that somehow jesus had something to do with it all.......

peace from a simple man
big

[Bram]

I wonder who made the Source? who made the maker of the source? everything has to come from somewhere doesnt it?

[Nakkas]

i look at it like this..there's somthing out there..we dunno what it really is .. we all have different angles..like veiwing a mountain from different angles..the same mountain can look completely different.. :D

[Bram]

We dont know only becuz we either choose not to know, or have not had the opportunity yet, but will eventually tho.

[Timberdave]

Here is another theory

That planet X that is on this Orbit coming around again they are trying to find
At one time Earth did not exist and this panet X collided with something or other
The moon actually came from a chunk of Earth and Earth formed
Do not remember much more
It is an interesting theory
This planet supposedly could be our ancestors and hold a key
I lost the info I had but good read

[Bram]

interesting. maybe it is a reason for the sudden changes in the planet. and the inhabitants.

[Green Supreme]

Who would Jeebus get to grow his weed?And would it be chemmy or organic?Peace GS

[Bram]

let the plant grow itself aux natural imo.

[Green Supreme]

You mean I've been doing all this extra work for nothing.I hear people tell me all the time that growin cannabis isn't work.Thats usually not coming from someone in the industry though.Perhaps you need a bigger garden Bram.LOL Peace GS

[Timberdave]

I really like this Planet X Theory
It explains the formation of the moon from the colliding Planets
Take away the oceans what do you have big chunks missing and cracks with plates shifting
it answers questions that others do not
The Rings around Saturn may have reminents of this collison
I will have to do some more research wetting my appetite had forgotten this one
Explains why Mars is the way it is and so burnt

[Bram]

interesting as all hell.I think the puzzle pieces are about to rapidly come together.

[Bram]

TD, whats your opinion on the Hopi prophecies?

[Timberdave]

I Read those years ago also
Found them very Cool
Would have to refresh my memory by reading them again
Another book I lent out and never got back
I used to have a library on Prophecies and Theories
A bunch of us would get together and discuss them while enjoying the Herb

I do not like what has been going on in that area against them
The Native Americans need to be paid more attention to and the old ways need to be respected regarding mother earth
There is a rock with a carving a time line
There is also a Huge Magnetic rock or what ever you call it that is disputed to be mined and is said to be part of the earths magnetic field and not to be messed with but I think it will or is being mined

It has been a decade or so wish I could remember more
I do remember connecting with it
Is there not a circle divided into 4 with the Whiteman, Red man, Black man and Yellow man and each holds the key to the puzzle and when all 4 come together the time will arrive

My Uncle went to the place they call the 4 corners in the US and took some awesome pics
Always wanted to go there and hopefully one day will

If you have some Hopi info post them it is good stuff
Good Post
thanks will look this up also
:thumbsup:

[Bram]

according to the hopi prophecies, when the shit hits the fan, 4 corners is the same zone for North America. I would have to surf around on the net for it, but there was a written record of an interview with some hopi elders/medicine men prior to man landing on the moon, saying that the expedition should not bring back rock from the moon as it would change the balance of the earth, and changes in the weather.

[colibri]

great thread .... i also wanna know ..... how'd the constellations get to be the constellations???? how'd they just form the big dipper, the lil one, the archer & the like? come onnnnnnn someone please tell me ...:hmm:

[colibri]

what came first?
the sun ... or the earth?
and who says what?
scientistist / evolutionist say the earth is how old?
how old is the sun?
what came first?

[c-ray]

did you know that the word 'colibri' is spanish for 'hummingbird'?

[Tug]

Scientifically, the Sun needs to be in place to hold the Earth in orbit....

peace - Tug

[capt carnuba]

As the theory goes, the sun captured objects in it's field and these objects grew due to constant accretion or external amassing of matter which happened to impact these circling bodies and through rotationalforce these bodies became round. Now theres a bundle of christmas trivia wrapped in a cup of stfu fer the capt. ;)

[colibri]

did you know that the word 'colibri' is spanish for 'hummingbird'?

yes I did :)

[spaceman]

http://www.marskarthik.com/blog/?p=204


The Bible tells us that God created Adam and Eve just a few thousand years ago, by some fundamentalist interpretations. Science informs us that this is mere fiction and that man is a few million years old, and that civilization just tens of thousands of years old. Could it be, however, that conventional science is just as mistaken as the Bible stories? There is a great deal of archeological evidence that the history of life on earth might be far different than what current geological and anthropological texts tell us. Consider these astonishing finds:

The Grooved Spheres
Over the last few decades, miners in South Africa have been digging up mysterious metal spheres. Origin unknown, these spheres measure approximately an inch or so in diameter, and some are etched with three parallel grooves running around the equator. Two types of spheres have been found: one is composed of a solid bluish metal with flecks of white; the other is hollowed out and filled with a spongy white substance. The kicker is that the rock in which they where found is Precambrian - and dated to 2.8 billion years old! Who made them and for what purpose is unknown.

The Dropa Stones
In 1938, an archeological expedition led by Dr. Chi Pu Tei into the Baian-Kara-Ula mountains of China made an astonishing discovery in some caves that had apparently been occupied by some ancient culture. Buried in the dust of ages on the cave floor were hundreds of stone disks. Measuring about nine inches in diameter, each had a circle cut into the center and was etched with a spiral groove, making it look for all the world like some ancient phonograph record some 10,000 to 12,000 years old. The spiral groove, it turns out, is actually composed of tiny hieroglyphics that tell the incredible story of spaceships from some distant world that crash-landed in the mountains. The ships were piloted by people who called themselves the Dropa, and the remains of whose descendents, possibly, were found in the cave.

The Ica Stones
Beginning in the 1930s, the father of Dr. Javier Cabrera, Cultural Anthropologist for Ica, Peru, discovered many hundreds of ceremonial burial stones in the tombs of the ancient Incas. Dr. Cabrera, carrying on his father’s work, has collected more than 1,100 of these andesite stones, which are estimated to be between 500 and 1,500 years old and have become known collectively as the Ica Stones. The stones bear etchings, many of which are sexually graphic (which was common to the culture), some picture idols and others depict such practices as open-heart surgery and brain transplants. The most astonishing etchings, however, clearly represent dinosaurs - brontosaurs, triceratops (see photo), stegosaurus and pterosaurs. While skeptics consider the Ica Stones a hoax, their authenticity has neither been proved or disproved.

The Antikythera Mechanism
A perplexing artifact was recovered by sponge-divers from a shipwreck in 1900 off the coast of Antikythera, a small island that lies northwest of Crete. The divers brought up from the wreck a great many marble and and bronze statues that had apparently been the ship’s cargo. Among the findings was a hunk of corroded bronze that contained some kind of mechanism composed of many gears and wheels. Writing on the case indicated that it was made in 80 B.C., and many experts at first thought it was an astrolabe, an astronomer’s tool. An x-ray of the mechanism, however, revealed it to be far more complex, containing a sophisticated system of differential gears. Gearing of this complexity was not known to exist until 1575! It is still unknown who constructed this amazing instrument 2,000 years ago or how the technology was lost.

The Baghdad Battery
Today batteries can be found in any grocery, drug, convenience and department store you come across. Well, here’s a battery that’s 2,000 years old! Known as the Baghdad Battery, this curiosity was found in the ruins of a Parthian village believed to date back to between 248 B.C. and 226 A.D. The device consists of a 5-1/2-inch high clay vessel inside of which was a copper cylinder held in place by asphalt, and inside of that was an oxidized iron rod. Experts who examined it concluded that the device needed only to be filled with an acid or alkaline liquid to produce an electric charge. It is believed that this ancient battery might have been used for electroplating objects with gold. If so, how was this technology lost… and the battery not rediscovered for another 1,800 years?

The Coso Artifact
While mineral hunting in the mountains of California near Olancha during the winter of 1961, Wallace Lane, Virginia Maxey and Mike Mikesell found a rock, among many others, that they thought was a geode - a good addition for their gem shop. Upon cutting it open, however, Mikesell found an object inside that seemed to be made of white porcelain. In the center was a shaft of shiny metal. Experts estimated that it should have taken about 500,000 years for this fossil-encrusted nodule to form, yet the object inside was obviously of sophisticated human manufacture. Further investigation revealed that the porcelain was surround by a hexagonal casing, and an x-ray revealed a tiny spring at one end. Some who have examined the evidence say it looks very much like a modern-day spark plug. How did it get inside a 500,000-year-old rock?

Ancient Model Aircraft
There are artifacts belonging to ancient Egyptian and Central American cultures that look amazingly like modern-day aircraft. The Egyptian artifact, found in a tomb at Saqquara, Egypt in 1898, is a six-inch wooden object that strongly resembles a model airplane, with fuselage, wings and tail. Experts believe the object is so aerodynamic that it is actually able to glide. The small object discovered in Central America (shown at right), and estimated to be 1,000 years old, is made of gold and could easily be mistaken for a model of a delta-wing aircraft - or even the Space Shuttle. It even features what looks like a pilot’s seat.Giant Stone Balls of Costa Rica
Workmen hacking and burning their way through the dense jungle of Costa Rica to clear an area for banana plantations in the 1930s stumbled upon some incredible objects: dozens of stone balls, many of which were perfectly spherical. They varied in size from as small as a tennis ball to an astonishing 8 feet in diameter and weighing 16 tons! Although the great stone balls are clearly man-made, it is unknown who made them, for what purpose and, most puzzling, how they achieved such spherical precision.

Impossible Fossils
Fossils, as we learned in grade school, appear in rocks that were formed many thousands of years ago. Yet there are a number of fossils that just don’t make geological or historical sense. A fossil of a human handprint, for example, was found in limestone estimated to be 110 million years old. What appears to be a fossilized human finger found in the Canadian Arctic also dates back 100 to 110 million years ago. And what appears to be the fossil of a human footprint, possibly wearing a sandal, was found near Delta, Utah in a shale deposit estimated to be 300 million to 600 million years old.

Out-of-Place Metal Objects
Humans were not even around 65 million years ago, never mind people who could work metal. So then how does science explain semi-ovoid metallic tubes dug out of 65-million-year-old Cretaceous chalk in France? In 1885, a block of coal was broken open to find a metal cube obviously worked by intelligent hands. In 1912, employees at an electric plant broke apart a large chunk of coal out of which fell an iron pot! A nail was found embedded in a sandstone block from the Mesozoic Era. And there are many, many more such anomalies.

What are we to make of these finds? There are several possibilities:

* Intelligent humans date back much, much further than we realize.
* Other intelligent beings and civilizations existed on earth far beyond our recorded history.
* Our dating methods are completely inaccurate, and that stone, coal and fossils form much more rapidly than we now estimate.

In any case, these examples - and there are many more - should prompt any curious and open-minded scientist to reexamine and rethink the true history of life on earth.

[Green Supreme]

You want fries with that?

[spaceman]

http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=y1eqgqv1m8

[spaceman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashi-Dorzho_Itigelov

[Bram]

carazy

[spaceman]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8545585184878490822

[Care-Giver]

Thanks for the link - I'll be checking it out over the next 24 hours.

DANG, its a damn good thing that I got myself a comfy chair in my office! lol


PS
UM, side note - Yeah, Satan lies and cheats like friggin CRAZY! So, yeah, like NEVER play with that cheater, lol, he took me for over 1500 b-4 I learned!

[lucheeba]

UM, side note - Yeah, Satan lies and cheats like friggin CRAZY! So, yeah, like NEVER play with that cheater, lol, he took me for over 1500 b-4 I learned!

That reminds of Max Von Sydow playing chess w/ Death in "The Seventh Seal"

[c-ray]

haha!

[lucheeba]

Ingmar Bergman's bets movie IMHO... surely a movie i'd like to rewatch... has it been realeased in DVD?

[c-ray]

yes
http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/6305174083/imdbca-20/

[Green Supreme]

I do not have a soul, I am a soul . I do however have a body . Peace GS

[lucheeba]

thx c-ray... my problem w/ amazon.com is that i get pretty good on used books and DVDs then i've got to pay 2-3 x my cart's price to have 'em shipped to Brazil....

I AM my body, my soul, my mind, my thoughts, my everything!

Peace
Lu

[lucheeba]

Hmmmmm... nice thread... this is one of my fav Nasrudin's Tales and I've translated outta remembrances...

On a sunny afternoon in India, Nasrudin was in his backyard minding his own bussiness and there was a rope laying on a corner. Then his neighbour goes up to him and asks: "Hey Nasrudin, can I borrow your rope for a while?" To his surprise, Nasrudin says "nope!" and he asks: "why not??"
Nasrudin: "I'm using it."
Neighbour angrily: "Hey I can clearly see you're NOT using it! The rope it's just laying over there!?!"
Nasrudin calmly: "Well, that's the precise use I'm making of it."