Why I avoid this forum.

[przcvctm]

Space Grass invited me to participate in this forum last week and I took some time to give thought as to why I do not. And as I give my reason, I wish no one to take offence because of it (really, I don't think my opinion is weighty enough to cause any bruised egos). There are a lot of bright minds here.

The main reason is that most of the discussion here is that of competing ideologies and philosophies. Right vs. Left, Republican vs. Democrat, Libertarian vs. Totalitarian. All make very little sense to me because all these arguments rest on the assumption that the west (especially the USA) operates within the framework of democracy.

Consider the recent Supreme Court decision striking down a Vermont law that required all campaign financing within the state to be public, avoiding the conflict of interest of office holders becoming tools of special interest. The Supreme Court ruled, and I am not making this up, that MONEY is SPEECH, therefore, the Vermont law was unconstitutional. So if money is speech, who speaks the loudest? The people? No. Corporations and the wealthy that own them. Little men who lust for power wash the hands of empty men who lust after wealth and vice versa. The corporations own the media for the most part and are able to frame "the truth" (notice Flowerman, I didn't use propaganda )that the masses receive each day. The masses ( a large percentage ) are lead by our own evangelical taliban on what to believe and how to vote.

I don't believe hope is lost, however. Democracy can still be taken off the shelf and dusted off if people would just wake up and grasp the situation and turn things around. Republican vs. Democrat. That argument is like the old cliche of rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic as it is going down. Just two heads of the same corporate monster fighting each other for power and money. Hey, that's one more party than the former Soviet Union had. Huh?

[Genghis Bong]

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The main reason is that most of the discussion here is that of competing ideologies and philosophies. Right vs. Left, Republican vs. Democrat, Libertarian vs. Totalitarian. All make very little sense to me because all these arguments rest on the assumption that the west (especially the USA) operates within the framework of democracy.



I was under the assumption that USA was a constitutional republic, at least it was at one time.

welcome to the forum and I hope we hear more from you.

[Tug]

Good points, and I too hope to hear more from you.
While I do not participate in this forum much (because quite honestly I cannot keep pace with many of you on political fronts), I do like to read the posts and hear real opinions, rather that the self-serving ones forced on us by the 'corrupt' governments and their 'controlled' media counter-parts.

peace - Tug

[przcvctm]

And the second reason I fear to tread here is making a technical error such as using the word democracy instead of republic and being embarrassed because of it. GB, did my misuse of that word completely derail you from understanding my point? Again, in short, my point is that the Constitutional Republic is being replaced by Fascism. Benito Moussolini coined the term, describing fascism as being a fusion of the State and Corporations combined with beligerant nationalism. My apologies if it did.

Thanks, Tug.

[Genghis Bong]

GB, did my misuse of that word completely derail you from understanding my point? Again, in short, my point is that the Constitutional Republic is being replaced by Fascism. Benito Moussolini coined the term, describing fascism as being a fusion of the State and Corporations combined with beligerant nationalism. My apologies if it did.

Thanks, Tug.

No, I think I understood your point(s) fine and I mostly agree with them, just wanted to point something out that you may have overlooked. You shouldn't be afraid to be wrong or make a mistake. Those that would judge you harshly for that probably have no character anyway. I think your points only make a case FOR being vocal about your political views.

[Jake Blues]

przcvctm,its a good place to see different prosectives of what is going on in the world around us.as you stated the media is very tainted,its hard to see the real truth.but i find that when you see the different views you can gather a better insight to the real issue at hand.
and i would have to agree with GB from the statments that you have made you would be very welcome here.

[Dankdude]

The Problem here is that the constitution has been pissed on for many, many years. Just after 9-11 the current administration basically killed it off by taking the meat of the constitution out with the Patriot Act.

Actually there was no reason for the Patriot Act because there is nothing in the Patriot Act that isn't covered by The RICO Act. (Which I will remind you is Unconstitutional)

[meloyelo]

Not to derail the topic because I'm always interested in przcvctm's perspective.
But does this: The RICO Act. (Which I will remind you is Unconstitutional) mean it is no longer valid for prosecution or never was?
-melo

[Dankdude]

Maybe so meloyelo but they were still using it until just before 9-11

[przcvctm]

GB and JB
Thanks for the encouragement. It does feel good to express and I regret the title of this thread because I'm already thinking of something else that I feel needs posting.

Dankdude
What nation needs an old document when they are blessed with a 'Living Constitution' who can decide what shall be? ( It's tough to convey sarcasm on the written page.)

[meloyelo]

It was a question Dankdude, I was wondering if the supremes had invalidated the old Rico Act.
-melo

[Tug]

GB and JB
Thanks for the encouragement. It does feel good to express and I regret the title of this thread because I'm already thinking of something else that I feel needs posting.

Don't regret, post away.
That's how many great topics get started, some of us start 2 or 3 threads at a time.

peace - Tug

[ViRedd]

Again, in short, my point is that the Constitutional Republic is being replaced by Fascism. Benito Moussolini coined the term, describing fascism as being a fusion of the State and Corporations combined with beligerant nationalism.

I would say that with thoughts like you expressed above, you would have no problems here in the forum and would be more than welcome, Bro. You seem to be of sound mind, spirit and character. Lord knows, we need more of that here. :laugh2:

Vi

[przcvctm]

Thanks, Vi.