dylan avery vs popular mechanics

[Elohim is plural]

...here is the pseudo debate on 911 evidence between the official version(popular mechanics) and dylan avery(loose change)...i know some are going to hate the fact its hosted by amy goodman but so be it...and even others will hate that its being brought up again...all i got to say to that is "release the video and i'll shut up"...
EIP

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-901683049872134071

[The Cannarchist]

Bad link EIP.....or Google cut it out....

[OneLegUp]

In a town such as Wash DC to keep any secret is damn near impossible.. thusly anyone who believes Avery.. is either:

1) a Fucking moron
2) brain dead
3) the two above combined

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/911truth.html

This site shows photos of wreckage from the plane at the Pentagon... photos Avery neatly edited out...

[bigsur51]

i just wonder how come the Gubmint' doesn't release the videos of the plane just before it hits the Pentagon , seems to me that would clear up all the fog?....

[plantbuilder]

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/11/1345203&mode=thread&tid=25

[Elohim is plural]

thanks pb
EIP

[Glass Man]

Amy Goodman & Democracy Now are great. I can't believe the Right hasn't pulled the plug on them yet. Yet more proof that "God is not a republican"!! If you can get Free Speech TV, 9415 on DISH, you can watch Democracy Now and also Liberty News, another of my favorites.

[joe6pack]

Amy Goodman & Democracy Now are great. I can't believe the Right hasn't pulled the plug on them yet. Yet more proof that "God is not a republican"!! If you can get Free Speech TV, 9415 on DISH, you can watch Democracy Now and also Liberty News, another of my favorites.

I caught the program and I think it was a fair and balanced debate. I agreed with the pop mechanics guy who said every time something cannot be completely explained there will always be those who jump to the conclusion that there's a conspiracy theory, and this is a case of just that.

I really do enjoy listening to that program every week. That and counterspin is another good one.

joe

[Genghis Bong]

Loose change is on the right track but the author of OLU's hit piece is correct in stating that Dylan Avery is young and has little credibility, academic or otherwise.
These people do...

to warm up try Lt. Col. Bob Bowman's own words <---- video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78Hc4rHf-r0&mode=related&search=)

Then for a more sciency aproach try


BYU Prof. Stephen Jones pt 1 <----- cspan video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdgrDTs_Rdg&mode=related&search=)

BYU Prof. Stephen Jones pt 2 <----- cspan video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZRhJPYexQM&mode=related&search=)

BYU Prof. Stephen Jones pt 3 <----- cspan video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhXkzBDesj0&mode=related&search=)

[vapor]

lots of info thanks!

[Elohim is plural]

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6498070204870579516

[Tug]

Wow, what amazing proof this is, well beyond speculation or conjecture.

peace - Tug

[Elohim is plural]

...defense of one's previosly held convictions seems to supercede logic...
EIP

[Tug]

...defense of one's previosly held convictions seems to supercede logic...
EIP

Great point E.i.P..
The number 1 impedence in society's general learning IMO.

And how much more important it is when one's previously held convictions were learned through error, lies, or outright deceit.
We must all learn to think for ourselves, with logic and science as our guiding principles.

Information is your best weapon, arm yourself with it.

peace - Tug

[Tug]

Speaking of Information, how many people took note of this fact?

The CIA held offices in the WTC, and on 9/11 2001, some 85% of these CIA employees were not at work that day.

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Isn't the CIA the world's largest terrorist organization?
Isn't the CIA the organization that the President's father (G.H. Bush) was head of?
Didn't G.H. Bush start a war in Iraq previously, thought to be over oil?
Doesn't G.H. Bush own/have investments in the Carlisle(sic) group, who built many of the Bin Laden's buildings in the Middle East?
Why were so many of Bin Laden's family/friends allowed to leave the US on flights (with Presidential permission) during a grounding of all air-traffick?
Doesn't the Bush family have big oil-money as an interest in Texas?
Why has oil/gas gone up so much in price since?
Why did the Bush administration fight the release of Farenheit 911 so ardently, yet no lawsuits claiming slander/libel have been launched against Michael Moore?

Things that make you go hmmmm......

peace - Tug

[JackStraw]

Why has the rise in global temperatures been so closely associated with the decline in the number of pirates? Correlation does not imply causation...

[Genghis Bong]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw7_ltNhIEY&mode=related&search=

An innocent man would more likely say "investigate all you want"

a guilty man certainly wouldn't want any blame being "shifted"

[Elohim is plural]

...on micheal moore...

...he's been co-opted...he is no longer a crusader for the little man...he is a government shill...i wish he was still on "our" side but he took the bribe...we will no longer see corporate crime chickens exposing true crime, but he will write lots of books...except the audience that would most benefit, doesn't read books...
EIP

[vapor]

so when you look at it all why do you think they are doing this? peace thanks..

[Tug]

so when you look at it all why do you think they are doing this? peace thanks..

Monetary first, and political (power) second, which is just ego and more money, IMO.
These are all, it seems, patterned reactions which we as society are learning, some would even go so far as to suggest this type of reaction is 'normal'.

peace - Tug

[suzy cremecheese]

You know whats a great song? That Dylan song Masters of War.

[Buckwheat]

I tend to believe oure government had a hand in this is some way or an other.
Those buildings didn't come down from a plane impact and fire...and 3 of them in one day? Your chances of winning the lotery are better than that.

Controlled demolition?....just how many weeks would it take to wire the place and if it's true how was it done without people noticing?
I haven't seen one conspiracy nut address that, except one clip about GWB brother was in charge of security and about week before they came in and turned all video cameras off for some unknown reason and preformed some work...still you don't wire a place like that in a day. And from what I've seen on The Discovery channel support beams also have to be semi cut along with explosives.

There are holes in all the theories.

[Elohim is plural]

...actually they do deal with that...see post 11...apparently both buildings had evacuations, with emergency power shut downs(no cameras) multiple times in the weeks prior to 911...
EIP