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joe6pack
08-22-2006, 01:20 AM
This spring I built into the side of a slope in my back yard a garden. I used pressure treated 4"x6" to build the frame and dug it into the slope. The end result is a 10' by 6' raised bed. I turned the grass and soil in there. Then we added dolomite lime, a bale of peat, and 12" of really nice screened topsoil and composted manure - just wonderful organic stuff. Plenty of earthworms were already in the top soil and they found the bed full of organics matter to be a welcome home, I can hardly dig a trowel without finding pulling up a worm :)

My garden is located around 43 degrees north latitude. I get direct sun from 7:30 am until 3:30pm.

So we planted a bunch of tomatoes, brandywine, beafsteak, grape, cherry, and something else. Planted some cucumbers with a trellis. Planted some peppers, bannana, jalepeno, bell, and choco bell. Planted herbs thyme, thai basil, oregono, sage, rosemary, tarragon, parsley, chives, and a but load of sweet italian basil.

Unfortunately due to the deluge of rain we had this spring around the beggining of June these plants did not go in until second weekend of june (6/10) and some later.

I fed my plants alaskan fish emulsion every three weeks folair and in the soil - rest of time just watered as needed.

I provided trellis supports for my tomatoes and prunned appropriately.

Bugs ate my basil and pepper plants - I tried to safers soap as that was all I was willing to use on my veggies.

We had a sudden attack of horned tomato worms, 6 total were found each 4" long and as thick as my thumb. We picked them off and drowned them in a bucket.

For the most part things have grown incredibly well and pests have not been a problem.

So now my tomato plants are 6' tall now and flopping all over the place over the top of the trellises. I have tons of tomatos but they're all still green. Not a single ripe red one.

We got a few cucumbers so far.

No bell peppers and a few bannana peppers.

Seems like things are gonna come to the end of summer and stuff will be finally becoming ripe.

It seems like the plants went crazy and grew alot vegatatively before going into flower and fruit production.

So a couple questions to you gardeners out there...

1. have you been experiencing similar lateness in your veggies this year? Is this related to the unusual weather many places have recieved (really wet spring, then really hot early summer, then cooler mid-late-summer)

2. Was this caused soley by the late planting? generally they say plant by memorial day weekend or the week before in my area.

3. is there an issue with my soil (like too much N) that may be behind the late fruiting?

3.b. Should I work in some bone meal or other organic additive into the soil this fall? What organic amendments are recommended?

3.c. Should I give them a feeding of some hydro flower nutrients that I normally use for cannabis in flower?

3. I'm really disappointed in my peppers - they went in especially late (6/24) and did not get too big - now unfortunately they've been shaded by the tomatos and attacked by runners from the cucumbers.

4. what do y'all use to combat bugs that is organic and friendly?

I tried to get some marigolds going as I know they're good companion plants. I've also used garlic in the past. What do people recommend for sprays - I've heard hot pepper water and garlic.

-joe

p.s. - some day I wish I was free to grow a couple nice ganja plants in this garden, but for now that will be just a dream.

The Cannarchist
08-22-2006, 01:38 AM
They are all on schedule Joe.

If you want them earlier you will have to start them indoors earlier.

Bugs are local so I can't really help you .

joe6pack
08-25-2006, 09:11 PM
Here's a few pictures of my outdoor garden as you can see my tomatoes got out of control. got my first ripe big one and a few ripe cherries now - yummy sweet goodness like no store bought tomato can have :)

-joe

Green Supreme
08-25-2006, 09:50 PM
Hey Joe love the bed you have built.My friend builds those all over his yard to get rid of his used dirt.Thanks for the pics.Peace GS

coffinman
08-26-2006, 05:30 PM
Lookin good Joe.
I have a garden going right now Three different varieties of tomatos, Peppers, corn, cukes sugar snap peas, and some other veggy's and also herbs. I picked a ton of cukes all ready but now the plants are infected with bacteria from the dreaded cucumber beetle. My tomatos grew like crazy and I have been picking since early july (I start mine indoors real early). The raccons have climbes the fence which surrounds my garden and decimated my corn crop. I didn't get to pick one ear.. The sugar snap are now being picked. I started these late so I can have the late harvest.
Good luck and have fun

joe6pack
08-26-2006, 06:27 PM
hey coffinman and GS thanks for the compliments - I put my neck and back into spasms for a week digging those things in - seemed every few inches I'd hit a 100 pound rock that would require digging and prying to get out...

anyways we also did a couple rows of lettuce - mesculine and baby red and green leaf - they were good but next year I'm going to do the red and green leaf that forms heads as the yield wasn't great.

Already harvested a bunch of herbs - dried in the basement and now in little glass jars - gonna do one more cut and then a dose of nutrients to hopefully pull out another couple a bunches. gotta make some pesto too.

coffinman - sounds like you've had some fun this summer too. I'm lucky as I have a hawk living in the trees around my home - critters were kept in check this year. I have a friend who got hit hard by groundhogs - f-in destructive little furry f-ers. anyways
How early do you start your tomatoes indoors?

I was thinking possibly about adding a greenhouse of sorts with plastic sheeting and some PVC - attach it to the 4"x6"s - to give me a head start in spring. Anyone tried doing that?
Maybe I can start them indoors and have them outdoors a month (April) or so earlier with a little greenhouse over the bed?

-joe

Clancy
08-26-2006, 10:48 PM
Nice-looking garden.

What type of pressure-treating for the lumber? Arsenic, Copper? Some say the treating chemicals can leach into the soil, possibly taken up by the plants. (sorry, don't want to sir up shit!)

As to the greenhouse, check www.farmtek.com for kits or for the plastic/polycarbonate panels.

For bugs, check out Spinosad, or Neem & Micro 108 / Actinovate for fungus.

coffinman
08-27-2006, 03:01 PM
Joe I start my plants indoors in the latter part of february. I start to go a little buggy in winter and just have to see some green growing. I am also lucky enough to have a small greenhouse built out of corrugated plastic. The greenhouse can hold up to 200 4 inch pots. By the time I put the plants in the ground after last frost they are past the 12 inch mark and are starting to push out flowers. One of the tomato varieties I tried was called Fourth of July. I was picking these about one week after the fourth of july so there name is justified. Next year I will build a cage that completely covers the corn. All four sides and top as well. Let's see those furry bastards get in there.

c-ray
08-27-2006, 05:43 PM
you might be surprised what happens if you put some cannabis plants out in a worthy greenhouse starting late feb to mid march

Wavels
08-27-2006, 08:15 PM
That is a very cool raised bed. What an excellent idea!
Joe, even though I started later than usual indoors this year, (in May instead of March) I think things are ripening a little bit slower this season. My cherry tomatoes are producing well, but my beefsteaks are a bit slow in ripening...I've only harvested 4 or so thus far...
I think maybe the cooler overnight temps in my areas hindered the ripening process a bit?
I use Neem oil when I need to...not too many pests this season (so far).
I

caddis
08-28-2006, 10:50 PM
kiss raised bed frame for either clear plastic or shade cloth.

joe6pack
08-28-2006, 11:13 PM
Coffin,

thanks for the info on the July 4th variety - I'll have to try that next year +I'll start them earlier inside.... luckily I just happen to have some knowledge and lights for growing things inside ;)


Clancy - the pressure treated issue was considered, however other alternate materials were prohibitively expensive. Has it been shown that the veggies do in fact pick up chems from the pressure treated wood? the guy at my hardware store swore up and down that it was not an issue. Nice link btw - but I was not considering spending that kinda green.

you might be surprised what happens if you put some cannabis plants out in a worthy greenhouse starting late feb to mid march

Unfortunatly the army green surplus helicopters fly rather low around my neck of the woods (just saw one Friday around 100') and that is just not an option for me :(

I think maybe the cooler overnight temps in my areas hindered the ripening process a bit?

I think you're right but I think it's the cooler days too - hot days and cool nights seem to speed up ripening IME whereas all around cooler temps like we've had this august do the opposite.

caddis - that's exactly what I was thinking of doing - what is the material you used? some form of PVC? and do you use just clear poly over that?

-joe