On animal rights ...

[ViRedd]

Animal "Rights" and the New Man Haters

By Edwin Locke, Ph.D.

Recently a sixth grade student threatened to bomb the headquarters of a prominent corporation, the Gillette Company. Gillette's "crime"? The use of animals to test the safety of their products. This student's role models have not been so hesitant. In the name of so-called "animal rights," terrorists have committed hundreds of violent crimes. They have vandalized or fire bombed meat companies, fur stores, fast-food restaurants, leather shops and medical research laboratories across North America. The animal "rights" movement, however, is not about the humane treatment of animals. Its goal is the animalistic treatment of human beings.

According to these terrorists, it is immoral to eat meat, to wear fur coats or leather shoes, and to use animals in research

[c-ray]

we are animals

[Buckwheat]

Animals have "rights"...Right beside the mash potatoes.

[suzy cremecheese]

Those arent the only people that believe in animal rights. Some believe in rights for all animals including humans.

Shouldnt all sentient beings have the right to a life thats reasonably free of pain and suffering?

I'd get into this budding discussion but it won't change any minds so I won't bother. You know where I stand. Pain and suffering saddens me... even when some good may come of it.

[c-ray]

so I guess cannabilism is ok

[resinman]

Animal Rights

Ive been waiting thirty minutes for my dog to get off the toilet,,,

My problem will be getting to the aerosol room freshner under the vanity so i can tolerate the fumes so i can dispense of unwanteds without fainting


resinman

[lucheeba]

Vi

I'm a veggie... a tolerant one I must add. I don't ever lecture ppl neither do I give a flying fuck to what others choose to eat... I disagree with the article, but that "Even if animal tests produced a cure for AIDS, we'd be against it." statement twisted my fucking mind around. My only child, Cecilia (24 yrs old) has been living with HIV/Aids (and I've got life-threatening disease as well) since she was 16 and I trully believe that IN THAT CASE I'd just shut my eyes and ears and let them tear the "other" animal appart. It'd hurt like hell, but it'd hurt even more to watch my only child have a slow painful death (and vice-versa).

Yes, c-ray, we're ARE animals.

Peace
Lu

[Papi]

Wow, all the touchy subjects lately, must be a full moon !

resinman, install a bathroom exhaust fan, or buy puppers some beano

[lucheeba]

Have ya got any meatless tacos, Papi?

[suzy cremecheese]

I disagree with the article, but that "Even if animal tests produced a cure for AIDS, we'd be against it." statement twisted my fucking mind around.

I don't believe that is a real quote. I believe it was inferred and that's why no particular person or article is referenced. Common tactic of many people trying to make a point.

[lucheeba]

I don't believe that is a real quote. I believe it was inferred and that's why no particular person or article is referenced. Common tactic of many people trying to make a point.

Neither did I, Suzy. As my ol' man used to say "there's an asswhole on every corner".... and apparentely here's no different.

Peace
Lu

[Joe King Park]

what about the stealing of the corpse of the guinea pig farms owners mother?
dug it up in the middle of the night and told the guy to shut down his farm or they would not get the deceased body back!! ( they are now in jail serving long sentences)
what about the idiot that took a couple of breeding possums to Hornby Island, which is now out of control ( 100% of ground nesting birds including quail and pheasant are now gone, forever)
what about the idiots that thought it a good thing to let loose 10,000 plus Mink from their pens, and now they are savaging the new forest

Animal Lovers Have Rights
but more often than not they make the situation worse by doing what they consider humane, where in fact they are destroying the ecosystem in a big way

don't get me wrong , i love all animals, my house is practically a zoo ( Zoo; a sanctuary from human onslaught

anyway whats the difference when a guy goes into the bush, blows away a bear then cuts out its bile bladder and puts it in his sandwhich baggie then walks off
now thats a F*cking Waste of a Animal, such B*stards should have their Kidney taken out if caught; which will in turn help someone less selfish
oh yeah , no sedation or pain medication, just a blunt knife

wow , this has worked me up a bit, got to my emotions
better stop now
Joe

[lucheeba]

JKP

I thought I had made pretty clear in my post that I have nothing to do with these ppl you've mentioned. As a matter of fact I digust the fact that some veggies use rude words when addressing to meat-eaters. Not to mention the violence!!

And for the record, "animal lovers" and "animal rights" are two different concepts. Or do you really think abolitionists fought to put an end to slavery just because they liked their cute little black babies?

Have this thread got to your emotions? You haven't got the faintest idea of how they have affected mines! :mad: I'm addressing my anger towards this stupid wanker who wrote this fucking belligerent article. Levelling "animal rights activists" to Unabomber and the likes is way over the top for me!

Ooooohhhhh bollocks!!! And now I'm running outta those heavy indicas to help me keep my filthy mouth shut.

[tj_142]

Papi.........Wow, all the touchy subjects lately, must be a full moon !
. New Moon......Full is August 9th, some sooth sayers its the change from Cancer into Leo ................

Really Vi..............These are causes from the 60's -70's Vi you starting to regress back to childhood? opps I mean 50's and 60's or is late 40..early 50.....lol

[Buckwheat]

so I guess cannabilism is ok
If it means survival....sure

[Artful Dodger]

bump

[Wavels]

Animals cannot have "rights" because they are not self-aware, (except for certain primates). The fact is that they can't recognize themselves in a mirror.
But the most persuasive point is that animals do not extend rights to each other!
I am an animal lover (I have six dogs). The notion of animal rights can only come from a very successful society with too much time to ponder such frivolous ideas.

[lucheeba]

frivolous???? oh my.. oh may...

[ViRedd]

Open Letter to Charlize Theron
September 7, 2005

Ms. Charlize Theron
c/o PMK/HBH
700 San Vicente Blvd. Suite G 910
West Hollywood, CA 90069

Dear Ms. Theron,

As a world-famous actress who sets an example for people across the globe, we, the undersigned advocates of a cure for AIDS, oppose your endorsement of PeTA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals)

PeTA opposes AIDS research that requires the study of lab animals. PeTA’s President Ingrid Newkirk once said even if animal research produced a cure for AIDS, “we’d be against it.”

We agree with you that animals should be treated with compassion, and we applaud your efforts to advance animal welfare. However, we value human life as well.Humane, responsible animal research represents the best chance and holds the greatest potential to find a cure for AIDS.

Today, there are 37 million people worldwide living with HIV/AIDS. In the past 25 years, 20 million people have died from AIDS. By 2010, 44 million children will have been orphaned by the disease. Despite recent gains in medicine, 3 million people with AIDS died in 2003.

Your advertisements for PeTA -- and participation as an honorary committee member of its upcoming 25th Anniversary Gala on September 10, 2005 -- legitimize this group’s opposition to AIDS research, jeopardizing the lives of millions worldwide.

Ms. Theron, you have a choice: You can choose to support the search for a cure to AIDS, or you can continue to support an organization that stands in our way. On behalf of the millions of people living with HIV and AIDS, we hope you will join our fight for a cure.

Sincerely,

ACT-UP DC
ACT-UP Southern California
AIDS Healthcare Foundation
AIDS/HIV Health Alternatives
Amassi
HIV Incarcerated Task Force

Thomas Backer, Ph.D.
Helen Berberian
Peter Cashman
Steve Corchado
Dr. Genevi

[lucheeba]

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List of Hollywood Hypocrites
The following Hollywood celebrities have all supported PeTA, a group which is opposed to all animal research. At the same time they have directly benefited from or supported important charities whose work relies on the very research PeTA opposes:


Vi

I wouldn't call ANY of those celebreties hypocrites. To my eyes, that proves me only one thing: that both things are NOT incompatible.

As a matter of fact, some researchers don't even need animals to test new drugs. They're already using people for that in Africa. Disposable people. Sad, sad, sad...

Peace
Lu

[suzy cremecheese]

Animals cannot have "rights" because they are not self-aware, (except for certain primates). The fact is that they can't recognize themselves in a mirror.

Why is that the criteria for having rights? Many humans dont have that capability but they still have rights.

But the most persuasive point is that animals do not extend rights to each other!

That doesnt pursuade me. Many humans don't do this either. No ones talking about giving a rat the right to vote, just the right to be free from torture.

I am an animal lover (I have six dogs). The notion of animal rights can only come from a very successful society with too much time to ponder such frivolous ideas.

That may be partly true. Survival comes first. However, when a society realizes most of its basic needs and beyond it doesnt just stop improving.

I won't deny a heirarchy when it comes down to some moral dillema involving different species. I just believe senseless acts of violence on animals should be heavily disciplined and research should be given much more scrutiny and publicity than it is.

[Dankdude]

I belong to

People
Eating
Tastey
Animals

If animals weren't meant to be eaten, they wouldn't taste like meat.

[ViRedd]

Animals have "rights"...Right beside the mash potatoes.

^^^ :teeth: ^^^

[Cannana Bannana]

I've known many people and many an animal, and I prefer to run with the tails! Always have and always will.
If I'm on a deserted island and could have a human or a dog to be my companion I'd go with the dog in a heartbeat!

[lucheeba]

I'd stick with the dog just like that cb... but what kinda human are we talking here?

[suzy cremecheese]

If I'm on a deserted island and could have a human or a dog to be my companion I'd go with the dog in a heartbeat!

That would be a tough choice. Now if I could ahve my pic of humans then that would be different. If I was going to have dogs I'd want at least two because they just don't live long enough. Losing a pet is sad enough when they arent your only friend in the universe.

[Cannana Bannana]

I agree with the two above posts. In general I'd take the dog, however I'd have to see the human just to make sure!

[Wavels]

Hi Suzy,
In addition to my doggies, I forgot to mention that I have two cats. Now my kitties have no capability of understanding the human concept of "rights"; they are murderers extraordinaire! They seem to be the happiest when they are torturing the poor little creatures that become the killer kitties victims.
I think this is far more senseless than trying to find a cure for a disease that kills my fellow humans, through experimenting on animals.
Humans are the only creatures on the planet that are aware of their own ultimate death, and can contemplate it.

As far as the island....depends on the human. Between dog or cat? Dog...

[c-ray]

cell culture should make more sense for testing potentially dangerous drugs than to test them on other species which doesn't prove anything anyways, though most dis-ease can be cured through nutrition, emotional release and prayer provided one acts with sufficient haste and gumption, the body has sufficient ability to cure itself given the right conditions

[ViRedd]

If I'm on a deserted island and could have a human or a dog to be my companion I'd go with the dog in a heartbeat!

I'd take Sharon Stone over the dog. :smile2:

Vi

[lucheeba]

That would be a tough choice. Now if I could ahve my pic of humans then that would be different. If I was going to have dogs I'd want at least two because they just don't live long enough. Losing a pet is sad enough when they arent your only friend in the universe.

Hey Suzy, lemme me introduce you to one of my pets. Please meet Nani. I've become her guardian a coupla yrs ago. She lives in one of those Sanctuaries Dr. Jane Goodall has set in Africa. Although I know I'll never meet Nani in person I can keep track of how she's been doing.

http://www.janegoodall.org/default.asp

Peace to all animals (including ourselves)
Lu

PS: As for the dogs, I second every single word...