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meduser
07-27-2006, 10:56 PM
For those of you who don't know, a CHROMATOGRAPH is the data report that is produced by a HIGH PRESSURE LIQUID CHROMATOGRAPH, which is one of the MOST accurate ways of testing for THC level and for a CANNABINOID PROFILE of your medicine. (Gas Chromatography is slightly more detailed in some areas)

Here we go with Instructions on how to read them and what they show, along with chromatographs for 4 different mesh sizes of BUBBLEHASH (from one run) as well as the Chromo for some BHO OIL.

Enjoy!

*Note the 100 iu and 45 iu Bubblebags which produced hash that was over 50% THC!!
**The BHO sample comes out even higher at over 65% THC!! (and that is low in the BHO realm)

Cannabinoid Chromatography 101

Chromatography is often called separation science since it is a technique for separating compounds in a matrix. In the study presented here we are separating cannabinoids from a matrix of plant material, including chlorophyll, fats, protein and various other related compounds including the essential oils.

Cannabinoid chromatography focuses on five compounds: Delta 8 and Delta 9 Tetrahydrocannabinol (^8, 9-THC), Cannibinol (CBN), Cannabidiol (CBD) and Canabinolic Acid (THC-A). The most important being the THC-A in Liquid Phase Chromatography as is the practice here, as opposed to gas chromatography, which is practiced in 99% of other laboratories. The vital difference between gas and liquid phase chromatography is that in gas chromatography the sample is heated to greater than 200 degrees centigrade to perform the analysis in the gas phase. In heating the sample the THC-A is converted 1:1 to ^9-THC. Understanding this principle is key to making oral cannabis medicines.

Each of the five cannabinoids has a distinct chemical structure, that is, the carbon, hydrogen and oxygen atoms that make up the different cannabinoids differ in number and spatial arrangement giving them distinct chemical properties.

Two of these chemical properties are exploited by LC Chromatography, the first being their retention properties on a silica based, hydrocarbon coated column on which they are separated. Because of the slightly differing chemistries of the individual cannabinoids they will travel along this column at different rates carried by an organic solvent in which they are dissolved. They therefore enter the detector at different times from the beginning of the run. Subsequently, they enter a beam of UV light, which they absorb, again differently, depending on their chemical structures. This UV absorption is also characteristic of the particular compound and can be used for identification purposes.

In order to confirm which cannabinoid is which and how much of each one there is in our test solution we must run pure standards on the LC. These are the individual cannabinoids in pure form made up to a specific known concentration. These standard runs are used to calibrate the LC. That is, we can use these standards to tell the computer the concentration of each peak made by each compound. The peaks are made by the absorption of UV light by the compound and the area under the peak is directly proportional to the concentration of the test solution. Therefore, knowing the peak area of the standard allows us to calculate the concentration of a sample from its peak area.

In summary, by using pure standards of the individual cannabinoids we can quantify cannabinoids in samples and therefore determine their concentration. Furthermore, the pure standards allow us to identify the individual cannabinoids based on their retention times (time from injection to entering the detector) and their UV spectra.


In the chromatograms on the following pages a few points are in order:
The total THC potential refers to the percentage of THC which will become available on heating, for example smoking or baking into brownies. To calculate THC potential we have to add the % Amount values next to the names ^9-THC and THC-A. The total THC potential is then realized. Note that the ^9-THC in unburned samples is often less than 1% and that the THC-A can be as high as 25%*. CBN and CBD remain constant on heating. ^8-THC is often present in small amounts and also being psychoactive is included with the ^9-THC, both chromatographically and hence in calculations.

CBD/^9 ratios are provided on a number of chromatograms, this value is given for the ‘ground state’ cannabis, before it is heated. Obviously, this value will change dramatically after heating the sample, approaching infinity :). The ground state value is used to provide an indication of the CBD content, since this compound is an important modulator of the ^9-THC effect.

* We had one sample in our lab that measured out at 25% THC-A and 1% ^9-THC giving it a total THC potential of 26%. Samples with this level of THC potential are rare.

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Agent-Smith
07-27-2006, 11:03 PM
thanks!! :woohoo:

CottonBalls
07-28-2006, 12:46 AM
Well thats all bullshit and good for wiping your ass with....

EVERY page lists a 'Caution, refer to calibration' or some such.

You know what that means?

That means every reading is flawed since they don't have a standard constant value to calibrate with.

I know, I've run a few of the gas chromo's before.

meduser
07-28-2006, 07:27 AM
This is in response to your allegations, from the folks who did the tests, and should accurately explain your concerns.

(BTW this is an HPLC NOT a Gas Chroma)

To explain the computer jargon.
> Tell your people to look at BH-100 where they won't see the " warning:
> calibrated compound(s) not found."
> Because in this chromatogram the computer saw the cbd peak and and
> integrated it.
> In the other chromatograms the the cbd peak is too small (low
> concentration)
> to show up.
>
> As for the other warning, that's the HP software saying check your
> calibration,
> there's been a retention time shift (usually) or the precision of the
> curve has been set too tight.
> Regardless, I don't believe that program has ever generated a report
> without the last warning being present.
> Lets you know the software's doing its job.
> Our calibrations are checked routinely and subjected to a number of
> quality tests.
> They're accurate.

vapor
07-28-2006, 07:38 AM
very interesting thanks!

bubbleman
07-29-2006, 10:12 PM
NIce to see indeed. Not the first and i hope not the last. this is the kind of information that makes me smile
50% thc is a great level for me, I find the 70% much like sam, almost impossible to smoke, not to mention the lack of terpenoid and terpene content in the 70% Is so low, you miss that back of your throat rip your lungs out cough.
just my two cents.

nice post man.

peace
bubble man

Organic Alchemist
07-31-2006, 11:41 PM
Great post... around here HPLC stands for "high performance liquid chromatography" but around here 1500 psi isn't much pressure. Actually I've heard both terms used although the top chromatographer's that I know always refer to High performance! I still believe GC/MS is a better analytical tool for this application. I'm not that interested in obtaining standards and quantifying the actual w/w% of thc, but more so in illustrating the different profiles in a qualitative comparison.....basically strain profiling.
PEACE and thanks for the read!

Green Supreme
08-01-2006, 12:42 AM
I don't think your gonna change this guys ideas about HPLC.He needs to be told by someone he respects,perhaps Paul Hornby could fill him in.Nice info for me though OA.Thanks for your input.Peace GS

Tug
08-27-2006, 10:22 AM
Theses tests are P Hornby's, he's Meds 'buddy', and the same guy who tested NL#1 at 36% THC, I'd 'check the calibration' if I was getting numbers like that.

What i don't understand is this, P Hornby stated that when heated, THC-A and ^9 THC convert at a 1 to 1 ratio, if so, why are they added together, one a 'potential'?
This seems incorrect, as Hornby has stated previously that those readings are inseperable as they are the same item undergoing conversion during the testing.

peace - Tug

Hashmasta-Kut
08-27-2006, 10:38 AM
you still up? holy... :D

Tug
08-27-2006, 02:11 PM
I slept on the ferry-ride home, and just woke up from a short nap, but needed to post on my way to bed (damn internet addiction). I was thinking the same thing when I saw this post, I'm still up? What's HMK doing up?

Man, I love this bong, I took it out and just stared at it for a while, I wanna fire it up.
And that tube, I am going to run the trim from my PGSUS (smells SO good this round, a full 10 weeks) and see how it works, looks like the cat's meow.

peace - Tug

Lungus
08-27-2006, 06:32 PM
What bong? and you got a new tube, this I gotta see (and try). I hope you remembered to take Kut the cuts that he was so deperately waiting for.

Hashmasta-Kut
08-27-2006, 08:09 PM
i aint freakin desperate mang. i gave tug a 18 inch BD bong. its not too shabby.

Lungus
08-27-2006, 08:18 PM
i aint freakin desperate mang. i gave tug a 18 inch BD bong. its not too shabby.
I still hope he brought em' though, because the way he praises the HE tall, I'm itching to see mine mature. Is there any kind of a patent or whatever on the unobtanium, cause if there isn't, I want to go to Puff with a picture and get them to make me one.:bongin:

Tug
08-27-2006, 10:42 PM
I still hope he brought em' though, because the way he praises the HE tall, I'm itching to see mine mature. Is there any kind of a patent or whatever on the unobtanium, cause if there isn't, I want to go to Puff with a picture and get them to make me one.:bongin:

HMK has so many strains and the like, it's crazy. I did however take him some HE cuts (both phenos), and shortly he will have his own reports on the strain.
I'll take him some moms of the phenos soon too, as I had intended to, but I was running late and had to change my plans.

I am going back in a few weeks Lungus, and I noticed that there may be a vaporizer available, if you were to praise the 'unob', he might guide you to one.
J/K, ask HMK, I'll arrange the payment (we have a set price), and I think you'll have some luck.
The unob may be able to be easily copied by another glass bubbler maker, but the true invention, the Ti swingarm, that's custom-fit to each model by HMK himself, I'd want the real deal, 2nd best may be 2nd rate, IMO.

I was able to meet the glass-goddess this trip. She's so down to earth, a hippie-girl with an artisan's gift, and good lookin' to boot (I hope that wasn't her boyfriend and that he doesn't read this HMK, he's bigger than me, hahaha).
She is an artist as well, something I didn't know, or had forgotten. I saw some paintings that were very cool, the eye on the wall was trippy.

Thanks again for the bong HMK, I love this thing, I was already showing it off to someone this morning.
'My first bong', I said, and they laughed.

And the tube, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha, I'll never use steel again as long as I have this. WOW.
It looks like a 12" dildo, the butane tip fits perfectly, no leaks like the metal tips, and it has a built-in anti-slip ridge for the screen.

Can I mention the old guy's plants here, or should I say nothing?

peace - Tug

I call this pic 'have a coke and a smile' (apologies to Bill Cosby).

c-ray
08-27-2006, 10:46 PM
get a room :smile2:

vapor
08-27-2006, 10:52 PM
goodness:bongin:

Tug
08-27-2006, 11:28 PM
You perverts. hahahahaha

This is the tube, it got cut out of the other pic when resizing.
This'll hold closer to an Oz, while my stainless tube was 1/2 that.

peace - Tug

Lungus
08-27-2006, 11:33 PM
Very sweet, that will create a substantial amount of budder, like 5g at a time or so.

Hashmasta-Kut
08-28-2006, 12:41 AM
I still hope he brought em' though, because the way he praises the HE tall, I'm itching to see mine mature. Is there any kind of a patent or whatever on the unobtanium, cause if there isn't, I want to go to Puff with a picture and get them to make me one.:bongin:


i dont think puff actually makes pipes. i know that my sister, who makes the unobtaniums, actually sells a lotta spoons to puff.

Hashmasta-Kut
08-28-2006, 12:45 AM
Can I mention the old guy's plants here, or should I say nothing?

peace - Tug



ya my 60 year old buddies' garden looks ok hey ? ;)

Tug
08-28-2006, 02:59 AM
The pictures I saw you post of it on TC didn't even come close to doing that garden justice.

I visited HMK's outdoor garden too, 1st, it was awesome. There wan an odour dominating the area, and after visiting a few patches further out, we went to the central area, and the Sweet Skunk was what was hitting me.
Among the plants (he had almost every strain I've had, and then some) were examples of unbelieveable beauties. I'm talking Watty that looked just as good as indoor, for the same size had the same yield even, or better.
The other strains were more adapted to the climate and were doing even better. I'll again wait for you to name them, wow.

Now on to the other garden. I'll admit, having never before visited an outdoor garden (except yours, earlier in the day), that has never been my thing, so I'd be impressed by anything, but I'm talking about a patch that has dozens of person-sized plants covered from head to toe in bud.
I'll wait til you reveal the name of the strain, but it's very 'nice'.
To give reference to the plants, I was shown one among them that I supplied at one time, a Watty Kush. It was at least the equal of any indoor effort of the strain I have seen, and even better than the ones the guy the strain originated from (Merritt Jim, who used to grow them outdoor and finish them indoor).
These were all tarped, so that they are almost done, and the Watty was about 15' around, at least.

Wowsa. All of a sudden HMK's garden was the 2nd nicest I've ever seen (sorry dude).

peace - Tug