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resinman
07-24-2006, 01:42 AM
Picture this...You are a united states citizen living and working in another country,,,living the american dream,,,

I thought bush lowered taxes,,,,hmmmmm,,,somebody has got to pay for the cuts????



Until you file this year's U.S. taxes.

All of a sudden living or working abroad, doesn't look so juicy for an American.

Out of the blue, the recent imposition by the U.S. Congress to implement higher taxes on those Americans who are residing abroad has really put a damper on the situation.

I mean, really, are we Americans being unknowingly trapped in this country? Hey, what about "liberty" and "freedom?"

Here's the deal: There was a $69 billion tax cut approved on May 17 which raises tax on Americans who live abroad. In effect, raising taxes on those adventurous folks by $2.1 billion over the next ten years.

So, with the over-arching immigration issues and this new tax law, America is essentially being walled off by its own government. So what's the ultimate goal here: To make certain that no one's coming in or coming out.....?

Does this sound familiar?

Honestly, I'm more than a little concerned with the state of affairs in this country right now.

By making it financially impossible for the average person to live abroad, we are not just losing our rights, we are losing our freedom. With money being the trump factor in freedom these days, the big boys know just how to keep the masses under the reigns:

They just simply make it cost too much to leave. By placing the option of ultimate mobility out of the public's reach, it keeps the public under wraps and locked down.

The New York Times gives us the skinny:

"The law effectively forces many overseas Americans into higher tax brackets by imposing complex new requirements for calculating the value of housing allowances and then taxing the allowance at the lowest rates. Americans in no-tax or low- tax jurisdictions with high housing costs, like Bermuda, the Middle East, Singapore and Hong Kong, will be hit hardest, partners at two major accounting firms said.

"Last year the law allowed most overseas Americans to exclude $80,000 of foreign earned income from income taxed in the United States. The new law adjusts the exclusion for inflation to $82,400, but it raises taxes by adding complex new provisions on how the exclusion is calculated. The changes are retroactive to the start of this year. "

"The new law does nothing about the hundreds of thousands of Americans living overseas who have stopped filing income tax returns, even though Congress taxes Americans on their worldwide income regardless of where they live.

"This law is targeted at those who are filing tax returns, not those who have stopped filing," said Peter Merrill, a partner in the national economic practice of PricewaterhouseCoopers in Washington.

"Merrill also said that he could "see no deep tax policy reason for this change," which he characterized as a way to raise money from one group of taxpayers to offset cuts for others. Other tax experts said they concurred in that assessment. "

So as Bush signed into law a bill named the Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005, a new world order was subtly set into motion.

Let's face the facts:

America is virtually the only country in the world that taxes its citizens who reside outside the country's borders. And now-can you believe it?-they are raising the taxes that shouldn't be imposed in the first place. For instance, one high paid individual working or living outside the U.S. could potentially owe tens-of-thousands of dollars more each year under the new legislation.

The 6 million + Americans living outside the country must be angry. They might even be forced to return. Or they may choose to simply Drop-Out, duck under the radar and forget filing with the IRS at all.

The IRS said in 2004 that U.S. taxpayers abroad reported $27.4 billion in foreign-earned income in 2001. And our government taxed every bit of it. But that's just what goes down in the books...


We really don't know how many Americans work abroad.

And I get this sneaking suspicion that soon enough, we'll know even less.

Tax evasion probably looks like a viable alternation to people working abroad and, hey, that's not good.

On top of it, this new law will no doubt discourage entrepreneurs to invest outside the growing walls of the U.S.

In my book, we ultimately want citizens of our country (even the not-so-wealthy ones) to have a choice where they want to live and where they want to put their money. I mean, we work hard for the dough we earn, shouldn't we be able to control what happens to it?

Maybe I'm wrong, but building walls around our country that works to both keep others out and keep us locked in may put us on a pedestal....but isn't the prize atop the pedestal also a target?

Here's some food for thought: Should we allow ourselves to be so easily separated from the global community? Don't we want to work well with others? Isn't this the first lesson in kindergarten?

ViRedd
07-24-2006, 02:36 AM
As Sgt. Schultz would have said ... "Velly, velly intelistink."

I've said it many times before on this site, but here it is again: In a truely free society, it is none of government's business how much money a citizen makes, how the citizen makes it, or how the citizen spends it, providing the citizen doesn't violate the rights of another in the process.

Here's a good link on the subject ... great reading too.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/0890c.asp

resinman
07-24-2006, 03:10 AM
A interesting note is the book,,,, tax,, root of all evil was written in 1954

this is a paragraph from one of his 1954 statements,,,about the cold war mongering ,,,the enemy,,,,very similar the statement could be used today and fit in


In reply, Chodorov went over the ground methodically. We were being told to be afraid, that war was inevitable (again). But as "the articulate fearers" admitted, their program required conscription. This suggested that they knew that Americans would never volunteer "to fight a war with Russia on foreign soil." Americans had been conscripted in 1917 and for World War II. This raised "the pertinent question: if Americans did not want these wars should they have been compelled to fight them?" (As often happens, here the right-wing anti-statist sounds rather more "democratic" than his opponent.) People who would compel Americans to fight Russia "have the dictator complex." Giving up our freedom to an American leviathan – in the name of stopping a hypothetical foreign leviathan – seemed a stacked deck to Chodorov. Either way, we got leviathan. Actually, US withdrawal into our own hemisphere would be advantageous by forcing the Soviets to lengthen their supply lines – if they really were bent on attacking us. As for Europe: "it would be hard on the Europeans if they fell into Soviet hands; but not any worse than if we precipitated a war in which their homes became the battlefield."9 Quite a few saved-by-being-destroyed villages later, I think we can see that Chodorov had a point.

resinman

joe6pack
07-24-2006, 03:28 AM
ah hah and you'd think that non-filing will get you out of it?

not forever... the irs and many states are now working on ways to close the "tax gap" that is non-filing people.

do a google search on tax gap and data matching... you'll find some interesting stuff

they have started connecting the dots so to speak - soon they'll be know that you've been out of the country and not filing then when you try to come back - better be prepared to hand over assests - they may already know what you have too

don't get me wrong on the one hand if everyone pays then it is more fair then when some don't.

however when we don't really have the representatives speaking for us then we do have taxation without representation...

ViRedd
07-25-2006, 05:17 PM
Choderov was a great writer for sure. His ideas on conscription is exactly why I'm against the draft.

Joe ...

There is nothing "fair" about 100% of the population being tax slaves. You're right of course, there is nothing they don't want to regulate or know about. That's what's behind our money laundering laws. They have nothing to do with drug dealing and everything to do about closing the noose around our economic liberty. A cashless society is closer than we think.

Vi

joe6pack
07-25-2006, 07:59 PM
ViRedd,

my point was it's not 'fair' if 94% of the population are tax slaves while 6% aren't. By 'fair' I mean equal treatement (or abuse) of all.

They have begun to build databases capable of matching disparete data sources, such as the tax roles and customs records or the tax roles and bank records or tax roles and DMV records. For example they may audit you based on "lifestyle" criteria such as driving a 50,000 benz and reporting 23,000 in annual income.

and you are right on the cashless point - not much left that is cash based except drugs, weapons, and a few commodities like diamonds...

-joe

Dankdude
07-26-2006, 02:57 AM
Your living in a fools paradise if you think that Taxes are going to go away or be eliminated all together.... Get real :rolleyes:

ViRedd
07-26-2006, 03:14 AM
Dank ...

No one said anything about "taxes going away." We need to fund government, but we need to fund it in a constitutional (original intent) way. Tariffs, fees and excise (sales) taxes would be that way. That was the intent of the founders for the very reason that they are not intrusive to the financial privacy of the citizens.

Have you read anything in this thread, Dank, like the essay by Choderov? :hmm:

Vi