terpenes?

[boy]

ive been reading some threads about terpenes and their importance. where in the plants are the terpenes at, in the trichs, on the leaves/buds or inside the leaves/buds? sometimes i make fingerhash (mostly trichomes i suppose) but fingerhash doesnt really get me high. then i tried mixing fingerhash with bud and all the sudden it became potent as hell like night and day. this has lead me to believe the terpenes are inside the leaf/bud and not in the trichomes, is this true?

[trichome pharm]

The Terpenes are a part of the oily substance you collect as trichomes and oxidize to hashish. They constitute about 10% of the content of glandular trichomes. They makeup most of the essential oils secreted. It is beleived that they are biogenetic precursors to cannabinoids, in other words, essential to the bioconversion.

I hope i could help you undestand a bit more. Look up marijuana chemistry by Michael Starks.
cheers

[Greens]

There was such a great thread on this subject started by Sam the Skunkman back at OG. He had access to pure terpenoids and pure THC and decided to experiment with them. Quite facinatingly, he came to the conclusion that certain terpenoids that are present in cannabis definetely affect/enhance/degrade the high from THC. I remember him saying that myrcene, for example, made the high heavier with more couchlock feeling. He speculated that the terpenoids might have just as much affect on the high as cannabinoid ratios do and that they may play a huge role in the "character" of the high from different strains.

Greens

[Hashmasta-Kut]

well it makes total sense. i believe some terpenes are more addictive than others too, or more craveworthy, if you will.

[trichome pharm]

Hell yes, HK...
I would have to agree on that...absolutely!
I have come to beleivethat this factor provides me from being impartial in the process of selecting a phenotype... For some odd olfactory reason that i cannot justify intelligently.

[boy]

ive read that thread too. iirc plants that smell the same will often give the same type of high or character

[Organic Alchemist]

Ok, now we just need a good researcher with acess to gc/ms and a few jars of pot!!
PEACE

[c-ray]

yes one needs a gas chromatograph to study terpenoids, a hplc (high pressure liquid chromatograph) won't cut it

[Organic Alchemist]

its that whole volatility thing!! Im getting ready to do some essential oil profiling in the mint family. anyone got some of that mint flavored bubba?
PEAS

[boy]

where is sam the skunkman these days? it would be very intresting to read about his finds again. i dont remember the names of any terpenes, that would help. anybody know a few?

[trichome pharm]

The book intitled Hashish ! by Robert Connell Clarke has a whole list of cannabis terpenes detailed and all...very interesting book.


A mass spectrometer would be nice to...ha ha

peace.

[Bram]

Organic Alchemist, I dont have mint pheno Bubba, but I got apple Mint, Chocolate Mint, Swiss Ricola Spearmint, Morrocan Spearmint, Orange Mint, and Pineapple Mint if you want some of them. I am attempting to hybridize the Apple and chocolate mint, be interesting to whiff the terpenes from that.

[Organic Alchemist]

Hi Bram, those sound really nice and later in the year I may take you up on your offer after I get some initial work done here. I'm looking at catnip and horsemint right now. Wow, cannabinoids will be fun when I get to em....just typed canna into the gc/ms library and theres quite a few cannabinoids listed. Wish me luck!!
PEACE

[Greens]

where is sam the skunkman these days? it would be very intresting to read about his finds again. i dont remember the names of any terpenes, that would help. anybody know a few?

Yeah, I wish he'd show up here. I can't remember hardly any of those terpenoids either, but I remember a few:

-Myrcene (I specifically remember him saying this one makes the high more couchlock)
-Limonene (lemony smell and I'm personally convinced this one adds to the high, perhaps trippy and uplifting)
-Pinene (pine smell and also possibly psychoactive when combined with THC. I'd say heaviness from my experience with piney strains)

I'm going to do a little research and see if I can find more of the common terpenoids found in pychoactive cannabis.

Greens

[Greens]

I found this little article online. I think it was written by the Skunkman himself by the sounds of it. I remember him saying he used the volcano during his experiments (should have used the Vrip though because it's so much stronger. lol)

See, I knew something was up with the limonene and that's why I love the lemon swiss so much.

OK, here it is from http://www.ccrmg.org/journal/06spr/candc.html:

"Studying the Effects of Terpenes

To the Society of Cannabis Clinicians:
Most interesting to me are the modulating effects of the 120
Terpenoids found in Cannabis. Pure THC is pretty boring, flat, one dimensional with little individuality. Not sure I would be a Cannabis smoker if THC was all there was. But add a small amount of Terpenoids and the picture changes, some Terpenoids like Limonene make the subjective high much faster in onset and much stronger, with rushes, more clear, speedy, up, cerebral, euphoric, psychedelic. While other
Terpenoids like Myrcene make the THC physical, mellow, sleepy, as well as stronger.
It has been obvious to me for more then 20 years that Terpenoids played a major role in modulating the effects of THC, but now for the first time I have proof. I did the work with a volcano, using liquid pads for putting the Cannabinoids/Terpenoids on, and used Cannabinoids that were 99%+ purity.
I tried pure THC, THCV, CBD, CBN, CBG, and CBC will be next, I have gram+ amounts of each. I have also tried a dozen pure Terpenoids with and without Cannabinoids. I used the Musty drug reaction scale before and after dosing as well as a better more specific one designed by myself for all of the tastes, smells and effects of the Terpenoid/Cannabinoid
inter-reactions. I have 10 subjects so far doing the testing with me.
The bottom line is that all of the reported different effects of
different varieties of Cannabis are reputed to be from the
Cannabinoids. But besides the effects from THC and very occasional small amounts of CBD found in herbal Cannabis, all of the different reported subjective effects are in fact from the Terpenoids/THC. This has to be good news for proponents of herbal Cannabis over pure THC for medicine? I do not know if the Terpenoids are as active in modulating THC if the dose is oral by eating.

Name Withheld, Frankfurt, Germany"

Here's something else I found at this site talking about the advantages of herbal cannabis over synthetic THC - http://www.nova-institut.de/nr/bh2000/english/macpartland.htm:

"Cannabidiol (CBD) possesses sedative properties, and clinical trials show it reduces the anxiety provoked by THC. Similarly, terpenoids in Cannabis also possess sedative properties when inhaled, such as linalool, citronellol, and a-terpineol. Terpenoids may also mitigate memory loss. THC causes cholinergic deficits in the hippocampus, which can be reversed by inhibiting acetylcholinesterase; this inhibition is provided by limonene, limonene oxide, a-terpinene, g-terpinene, terpinen-4-ol, carvacrol, l- and d-carvone, p-cymene, fenchone, pulegone, and 1,8-cineole.
Inhalation of 1,8-cineole increases cerebral blood flow and enhances cortical activity. Many aforementioned terpenoids, cannabinoids (CBD, cannabichromene, cannabigerol), and flavonoids (cannaflavins, apigenin, quercetin) have potent antiinflammatory activity or serve as neuroprotective antioxidants. These same compounds kill bacteria and fungi which may contaminate bacteria, they inhibit the growth of human carcinoma cells, and they serve other useful functions."

Now, I remember Skunkman talking about linalool strongly affecting the high from pure THC...

Greens

[boy]

:woohoo: great find!! i

[boy]

that was a good find. Limonene seems to be a nice terpenoid. is it safe to assume that all strains that smell like lemon/citrusfruit contain this terpenoid?

can this terpenoid possibly be extracted from fruit and added to weed that doesnt contain Limonene and still get the same effect? that would be cool

[Organic Alchemist]

grapefruit and licorice tasetes always interest me....I think it's fennelchrome or something like that for the licorice taste/smell...of course with other components.
PEACE

[boy]

licorice/anis is kinda interesting, durb

[Greens]

can this terpenoid possibly be extracted from fruit and added to weed that doesnt contain Limonene and still get the same effect? that would be cool

I think it can. Skunkman was using pure THC and combining it with pure terpenoids that were either plant extracted or synthetic (I'm not sure). Either way, the terpenoids likely did not come from cannabis plants. These terpenoids had a strong effect when combined with the THC. So, i would imagine that if you mixed in a certain amount of limonene into honey oil or bubble hash, it would have a noticeable effect...

Greens