View Full Version : Pistilwhipts Pruning method! The original thread from CW!
Agent-Smith
06-05-2006, 07:04 AM
Posted by Pistilwhipt
Prune Along
Ok kids,here goes...I'm gonna run through an entire grow one cut at a time.Complete with pics and details.I'll be demonstrating the techniques I use to encourage the onset of dense heavy potent buds.Avoiding as much of the dreaded popcorn as possible.I will be using both train wreck and soma's lavender for this thread.I will begin posting pics as soon as tomorrow.Every time I prune I will post pics before and after,and answer any questions that arise.Hope this helps. Peace PW
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
Ok,here we go...This is at about 2wks veg.having been topped once.This goes for both the lavender and the train.No pruning has taken place yet,first three pics are train wreck(grey container)second three, Lavender(blue container).
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Posted by Tha Chef
Hey 2mjw, I was thinkin the same thing, "damn those are some branchy plants for two weeks?" But then i realized that while i never have plants that big at two weeks, i also never have plants in such large container at two weeks, which confirms my idea that if you want monsters, start them off in big pots. PW how large are those buckets exactly, and this Lavender isn't from that pack you got from SD, is it? I can't recall if you said you picked up clones or if they're from beans?
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
Ok...let's see.I top my cuttings @ about the 4th or 5th node when they are real young.Basically just when they actively start growing after sprouting roots.As far as actual time I'd say these have been veging for 18 days.These are 12 gallon containers w/2 cubic feet of my own amended soil mix...and honestly damn near every plant I grow branches this wildly,train wreck the least!And yes chef,if you want monsters you need to let 'em breathe...this includes root space as well as physical space.Where the lavender is concerned...I'm sad to say that soma totally dropped the ball and cut contact with me after saying he would replace the ripoff beans that gypsy sent me.He said he had a pack with my name on it, I sent him my addy and a couple more e-mails and...nada.It's been 5 months now...So,the lavender I have here is a genuine cut from a freind.This is the first time I have flowered it,so you will see for the first time as I will how the lav. reacts to my method.I'lll try to get in there and prune some tonight. More to come...
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
O.k. the first cuts have meen made.At this first prune I like to be very aggressive so as to cut down on the work required when it comes time to prune again.(strain dependent of course)After this initial prune,I like to allow the plants time to recover and get back into the groove.If you're doing things correctly it should be no time at all before they are growing again.Perhaps a couple days max.After they are actively growing again just keep your eyes peeled for renegade shoots...but we'll get to that later.
Peace PW
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
On average I like to leave 6 to 8 branches(plant willing)behind.You just have to listen to the plants of course,they will let you know how much they can handle.So you see it's not a matter of loosing any canopy it will still be there to soak up all the light.It's just a matter of directing the flow of energy through the plant.Removing all of the lower shoots and branches which would be shaded or otherwise non productive.I will keep this up as long as there is interest I suppose...My original intent was to run this thread out till the end,you know till harvest. Peace PW
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Posted by Reverend Budbreath
Nice! This should inspire indoor growers everywhere who need to evolve. I know I did, I finally got sick enough of trimming popcorn budlets to take the plunge and will be even more agressive next time.
It takes a lot of deprogramming for a lot of people to get over the fear of taking off too much vegetation. I know you went through this too PW and I think most all of us do. It seems counterintuitive to cut anything off, and lord knows we love every little bud site. Several grows trimming that lame underdeveloped stuff and having overcrowding was finally enough for me however.
We can all do it. Viva le PRUNE!
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Posted by DeltaNugz
Please Please Please!!! follow this thread to completion PW!
I've always felt that pruning in this manner was the way to go, but I've never had the balls to follow through with it. All my friends would tell me I was crazy and killing my yeild, but the idea that pruning suckers from the very start would increase yeild makes perfect sense to me.
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Posted by Nickel Back
Hey PW, so glad to follow along with the master...
So, you are removing the lower growth shoots without taking the corresponding fan leaves?
Also, would you recommend basing the extent of the pruning upon the size and penetration of your light? Or would you prune the same way regardless of the lighting?
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Posted by Sauron the Blue
if no one else has noticed before, often times pruning the plants in the manner pistilwhipped described will shorten the flowering time considerably.
I read a paragraph or so ya dropped once about how your prune, which is real similar to how id prune a plant like that. I have some pics of some 6 week harvest pics in my gallery of some morning star from 3rd floor and i pruned it this way and it was done in 39 days, could of pulled it then but that shits crazy, let it go the full 6. my buddy grows this on trees (2" trunk) and on lil shrubs, I do it sog, his takes an extra 2 weeks to finish usually.
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Posted by Lucas
> I like to leave 6 to 8 branches
Thank you!
this is a very useful thread. I do think a picture of plants now and at harvest will help many people get over the fear of pruning
indoors we dont have the benefits of sunlight, so growing an unpruned plant indoors is not going to result in good lighting, like it can outdoors
even outdoor plants benefit from shaping up, ie, removing lower skinny branches
I will propose a rule of thumb:
remove the bottom 3 branch pairs on a clone, top it at node 7. This leaves 6 blooming branches, much like Pistilwhipt is doing.
Im trying to point out that there is a pattern, the bottom 3 pairs tend to get shaded. Plants with 6 heads do well indoors. Dont top the blooming branches, only top the main shoot, and only once. Remove the bottom 3 branch pairs (or alternates) on the 6 blooming branches too.
Notice how Pistilwhipt "reads" the plants, iow, look at the canopy mass and size of root zone. They move towards being the same size. No wimpy skinny branches in Pistilwhipt's examples.
Way to go!
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
Right on people...Glad you are interested so far.Don't worry I plan on running this thread out through harvest, pics when nessecary.Yes the rev. took a lot of pestering,however I think he's seen the light.Pruning really is a nessecity when working indoors.H.I.D. lighting can never get to all of the plant like the good ole sun.I give every plant I grow this treatment,they love it!!
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So, you are removing the lower growth shoots without taking the corresponding fan leaves?
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Yes exactly,the fan leaves must be left behind!!I remove the lower fan leaves once they are shaded by the canopy,but not till then. At which time the lower third worth of fan leaves are removed for proper air flow beneath the girls.
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i have romulan and the stems are totally hollow. i scrog, prune, and supercrop if you believe that. should i use something to seal the hole into the inner hurd?
lemme know and keep those shoes hot james!
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Absolutely not,leave the ladies alone in that dept.Some just grow that way.
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Posted by Reverend Budbreath
Hey PW, some follow up for me: doing the big prune 3 days or so into flowering (from-seed plants) will still work okay right? Not too late right? I know it would be better sooner, but certain canna-clergy are looking at their first good opportunity at that point after getting hit with unexpectedly early transplant chores (they've learned *too* much vigor can throw off your calendar!!)...
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
No sweat rev.trim those ladies up bro... Peace , PW
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Posted by oaksterdam97
Hey PW, is there a general too late time to trim, I'm thinking like 2-3 weeks in flower, cuz i like ta burn sativa.
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Posted by crazaer
which part of the method are you looking to do? top or train or both or other?
i think you could still train em right if you already have enough flowertops going, but veg is the time to fim or top clone these ladies, imho. you can trim your fan leaves that are blocking potential budsites, though.
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
Two weeks is generally the cut off for most plants,other than heavy sativa influenced strains.A good rule of thumb is to stop pruning once the bud sites are about the size of a pencil eraser.You def. have more time where most sativas are concerned.As far as topping you want to get that out of the way soon as possible.I like to top and choose my main branches as early as I can.Usually within 1st wk of veg. I'll be posting some more shots tonight.There has been no need to do any more pruning as of yet,and I dropped them (12/12)last night.However till I prune again I figured I would post a couple shots of the progress of the two ladies in question.I'll keep the pics coming of these two so you guys can see first hand the effects of this pruning method beginning to end. Peace , PW
Agent-Smith
06-05-2006, 07:06 AM
Posted by bopper
PW,
If it isn't too much of an aside, how would your pruning method differ with plants grown from seed?
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
You guys are very welcome.My goal with this here nifty thread is to remove the fear of pruning from the picture for you guys.I will show that you will not lose ,in fact gain in the yeild and quality dept.It's hard to imagine removing all those potential flower sites,but as you will see,it all pays off in the end. Peace PW
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
Bopper...The metod would not vary at all,seed or clone.Thing to remember here is to watch your girls.Do the initial topping,and as soon as you can see the onset of your "main"branches select the ones you will keep and remove the rest.Then you follow through with the prune. Peace , PW
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
Ok so here we are 6 days after initial heavy prune.Just dropped the girls 12/12 on 1st.Now they are ready for a clean up...removing any fresh shoots that have shot out over the last 6 days.Here are some pics.
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
The first one is the lavender and the second one is the train wreck.You can see the contrast between the heavy sativa influenced train wreck and the more indica dom.lavender.The stretch on the train shoots is always fast.Especially when pruning like this.It makes 'em bolt like crazy. Any how the shoots you see under the crown at the top of each train, and lav. branches will be removed.Here are a couple full shots.First lavender second train.................................
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
There hasn't been any more pruning thus far,however now we are day 8 into flower and ready for another aggressive prune.I will follow this out till harvest,just didn't want to babble on and keep this thread as informative as possible.I will gladly answer any and all questions in reference to this thread I wish to see people benefit from this method... Peace PW >
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Posted by three_little_birds
Ladies and gentlemen . . . Boys and Girls . . . herbologists of all ages (over 18 of course) . . .
we say listen to this man!!!!
we've used similar techniques to increase our yields for years now and can't say stongly enough how well these methods have worked for us . . .
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
Ok,so here we are day 12 into flower...@ day 10 I went in for another heavy prune , it was time.Once again you must feel it out with your ladies...they will let you know when it's time.I let these go a little long for demonstration purposes.That way it will be clear what to remove.They probably should have been pruned as early as 8 days into flower. The first two shots are train before and after.The next two lavender before and after. PW
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Posted by midsummer
Where did you get the balls to prune so heavily in the first place? I know it has worked for you in the past; but was it something you slowly added onto little by little or did you have another plant model in mind (like the tomatoes)?
BTW I thought TW was supposed to have spindly stems. Yours are quite strong looking!
How much light are you using please. Great thread thanks PW.
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
Well the balls grew a little slower than my plants...LOL!!! It took me a few years of successively more aggressive pruning before I was where I'm at now with it.Yes the train has very spindly stems...this is another example of re-directing the energy of the plant.When pruned as such the stems really pack on the meat...however they still won't be able to support the buds to come.So staking is always a must with trainwreck.I'm hovering around the 50 watt per square foot mark. Peace , PW
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Posted by barrian
Fantastic Thread PW. You are a true "Ganja God". Your girls look very happy with the love and care that you give them. I wish I had read this a few weeks ago as I am about 25 days into 12-12 and am going to end up with some of the usual popcorn that I am unfortunatlly used to. No more. Anyways one quick question for ya. How much room do you give your girls with this type of grow. How many per square foot?
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Posted by oaksterdam97
Wondering if that'll be the final prune? It looks like you only leave the top 3-5 nodes? It could have been done on day 8 but whats the latest date ? Day 14? Thankx PW. Peace.
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
Thanks guys...barrian,I put 4 girls under one 1k fixture,however you garden the principle is the same.If it's not in the light cut it off.You want a full canopy regardless,you just want to prune all the shoots as described.Right on greenja...you'll have to repeat that agressive prune at the very least one more time before they are through...The train must be tamed or she will run wild w/shoots and branches,which lead to the dreaded popcorn. Oaksterdam , the plants will let you know when it's too late to prune.You are going to want to stop right around the time they stop stretching...this is usually about 2 weeks into flower.Each plant is different just keep your eyes peeled. Peace , PW
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Posted by whitefly
Its strange how the stems on the leaves go that red colour after pinching
looks kinds like a stressed plant, but the tops are unstressed - strange.
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
Actually,the stems on the leaves are always that red color on the train.Pinched or not. PW
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Posted by gonejah
can we assume that the yield is about the same (or better) than letting the girls go wild?
To the new grower, it seems counter intuitive to prune so much. However, after trimming the bottom half of a plant or two, one quickly realizes how much energy was spent on creating the shoot, the leaves, and other supporting structures so that the calyx may final peek out.
PW (and others):"the plants will let you know when it's too late to prune.You are going to want to stop right around the time they stop stretching"
So when they stop stretching, are the girls (for the most part) done with creating new flowers ?
PW:
"Wondering if that'll be the final prune? It looks like you only leave the top 3-5 nodes? It could have been done on day 8 but whats the latest date ? Day 14? Thankx PW. Peace."
Seems like the # of nodes may depend slightly on the variety, right? (ie a sativa dom. plant is gonna stretch a lot more. those last couple of nodes are still gonna be fluffy)
How much does TW stretch?
Lavender is more of an indica right? Do you prune all your strains in a similar fashion (ie always leaving 3-5)?
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
ThinkTank...Yes the yeilds are expected to be at the very least comparable to letting 'em run wild...in my experience it has always increased yield.When they stop stretching they are done creating new shoots for the most part,however they will continue to stack on the calyxs'. Yes I think it'll be the final major prune,always keep your eyes peeled for some sneaky shoots making a last ditch effort to fire off.Every plant is a little different as far as when to stop pruning , and only xperience will guide you there,this is just a "primer" if you will...2 weeks into flower is a general rule of thumb.As far as far as # of nodes left behind depending on variety...well the point here is to prune to 3 or 4 nodes regardless of variety.With a sativa dom. it just means that a week or so after the first major prune you will most likely have to come back and prune again as the nodes you left behind earlier have now stretched and left 3or4 more above.If you practice this you should not have any fluffy buds period!With the exception very heavy sativa doms of course.Train stretches quite a bit , more than doubles it's size from drop of lights to 12/12.Yes lav. is a more indica dom. , and yes I prune all my plants in this way. Peace , PW
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
O'k here goes... Here's a few shots of the train @23 days into flower.You can see how even with the drastic pruning to 3 top nodes, it's filling out and stretching into what will be fat colas. Peace PW
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
To answer your question Tanemahuta...my plants top out at around 5' or so.I apply this technique to all my plants no matter how big or small,always with very favorable results. Peace , PW
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Posted by identity_theory
Yes, do try it and let us know how it goes. On a side note, I think a better way of putting what I was saying is that if you prune with horizontal lighting, your popcorn buds will be redirected into larger main colas. With vertical lighting, you're going to have a whole plant of large colas because the lower buds are getting the same amount of lighting as the top buds. There is a problem with the law of diminishing returns when you try to make up for pruning large budsites and attempting to redirect them...you can only regain so much yield from pruned sites...if they were going to be large buds to start with, you're probably not going to recoup them in your top buds... but experimentation is most of the fun in our game....so have fun and good luck!
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
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if you prune with horizontal lighting, your popcorn buds will be redirected into larger main colas. With vertical lighting, you're going to have a whole plant of large colas because the lower buds are getting the same amount of lighting as the top buds.
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Actually bro I have to disagree...You can have all of the light in the world and the buds are only going to get as large/dense as you let them.The whole idea behind this technique is to re-direct the energy of the plant to fewer/stronger bud sites.Whether you garden horizontally,vertically,indoors,or out. Peace , PW
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Posted by identity_theory
Yes, that's true, but I am very confident that the point of diminishing returns (for yield only) is going to occur at a lower level of pruning with vertical lighting than with horizontal lighting..... in other words.... Less pruning can be done with vertical lighting before it becomes destructive to the yield...the balance is shifted because of the high light levels at the bottom of the plant. That is to say destructive ONLY if total yield is the sole goal...if you're looking for bigger, nicer buds and less trimming, then pruning like a mofo and not worrying about diminishing returns is certainly the way to go. Anyway, I refuse to be told I'm wrong!! Damn you, naysayers!! Anyway, we'll let him try it out and see how it goes...I don't mean to shit all over your thread, Pistil!! Sorry... It's a great thread and I appreciate your contributions very much!
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
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I refuse to be told I'm wrong!!
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Uh...you're WRONG!!!...LOL.If you prune your plants in this manner there is no reason you should have your"vertical" lights close to the floor anyways. All this aside I have been using this method for years, and not once have I ever reached a point of diminishing returns.I'm not saying that point can't be reached,perhaps if you were to continue pruning on into say the 5th week of flower or something extreme you might see a decrease in over all yield.For the most part I beleive the "diminishing returns"fear needs to be shelved along with the other antiquated ways of thinking ie; never re-use your soil,succesive transplanting from clone to final container is necessary for plant health,etc...the list goes on...we are pushing the limits of cultivation of our beloved herb.We are the cutting edge! With all due respect the books will only get you so far,and it's hard to shake some of the old ways of thinking. Peace ,PW
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Posted by Reverend Budbreath
I gotta agree, I keep seeing time and time again the old-school "c'mon, everyone knows that!" tenets of growing being disproven. As I've confessed in another thread, "Indoor Marijuana Horticulture" by Cervantes screwed my head up for years with its flat-out wrong statements about 1000 watts of HID being appropriate for a 10' x 10' area. I kept seeing those photos of people's fat rooms in High Times and wondering what the hell they were doing right that I didn't know about... well, they had figured out before I had that to get good yields, 1000 watts can only be used to cover about 4' x 4'! And Cervantes was and probably still is considered and expert and guru! WTF? So based on that experience alone, I say nearly all bets are off!
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"As I've confessed in another thread, "Indoor Marijuana Horticulture" by Cervantes screwed my head up for years with its flat-out wrong statements about 1000 watts of HID being appropriate for a 10' x 10' area. I kept seeing those photos of people's fat rooms in High Times and wondering what the hell they were doing right that I didn't know about... well, they had figured out before I had that to get good yields, 1000 watts can only be used to cover about 4' x 4'!" - Reverend Budbreath
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10' x 10' area...?! LMAO! You'd have a room full of spindly twigs.
I've found that in 2 gal. pots...9 plants fit comfortably within the footprint of my 1000W Lumenarc III. (see pic) God...remember when High Times used to be a decent rag? Like Rolling Stone...they've sold out and turned to shit IMHO.
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
Thanks dowzer... That's the idea,push your girls to within their limits.They will love you for it and reward you with the huge dense frosty nugz you've been dreaming of!!! Peace PW
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Agent-Smith
06-05-2006, 07:10 AM
Posted by Pistilwhipt
Well there are actually 6-8 main branches,and no side shoots.The whole idea is to prune all side shoots as you go leaving behind as few as three or four top nodes per branch.Continue this all the way up to approx. 10 days into flower. PW
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Posted by gonejah
PW: Are you trimming any fan leaves as well?
"Well there are actually 6-8 main branches,and no side shoots.The whole idea is to prune all side shoots as you go leaving behind as few as three or four top nodes per branch.Continue this all the way up to approx. 10 days into flower. PW"
I'm about 4 weeks into bud, and between wks 3 & 4, i noticed a number of very small flowers trying to develop down low.
Sorry to ask the obvious, but are saying you don't remove anything else after 10 days, or 10 days is a decent window to cut major growth off
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
Think tank,all the info you seek is in this thread...just check it out from the begining.As far as doing any major pruning @4wks I wouldn't suggest it,you would def. cut into yeild.I would still remove any obvious popcorn way down low as this won't effect yeild much at all if any. Peace , PW
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
Right on...I'm really happy you people can dig it!!! Thanks birds I'm glad to see you kids around again...The methods I'm laying down here have changed the way I garden forever.It changes the whole grow...from clone to harvest.Early and agressive pruning techniques produce top notch results every time.Even the manicuring is much better(obviously)when you are working with larger ,more dense buds.The motivation behind this thread was the fact that I wanted to share this knowledge,and help others overcome the fear of "pruning too much".And now it is documented with pics... Peace , PW
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Posted by GrowGreen
PW
At what height do your plants finish at? I thought I read somewhere in this thread 5 feet, is this correct.
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
You... sir... are... CORRECT!!! LOL , PW
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
All kidding aside that is exactly the point identity,the ladies will flower as hard as they want too...provided we supply them with what they need to "do their thing".All we are doing here is re-directing...concentrating if you will... the energy that is already present in the plant itself.In this case as in most it's all about focus...
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Posted by lovelyflowers
I have a question of you PW -
Assuming your average plant....
How long would I have to veg a plant, using your method, to get 6-8 OZs from it?
Is this method more suited towards shorter veg times/higher plant #'s?
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
Well assuming your av.plant,you would need to veg. for about a month to get 6-8 zips.This method is suited to any size and style/#'s. Good luck bro.
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Posted by preservationdude
Hey PW,
Beautiful budssssss.....
What was the final flower time on them?
Watts/sq.?
and source of the TW?
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Posted by Pistilwhipt
They're still goin' p-dude,I like to let them run about 60 days or more.I have approx.7-10 days left.I'll post shots this evening.Thanks and...
Agent-Smith
06-05-2006, 07:13 AM
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Posted by whitefly on August 1st, 2004 07:01 PM:
certainly gets rid of the popcorn that way of pruning
I tried....
A very mild prune just the bottom suckers leaving all the leaves intact - not a great deal of difference on that one
then halfway up the stems, leaving till recovered off nips before flowering - and no trimming in 12/12 - This worked better in my baby vertical rig than the horizontal, because it forced the nugs within the sweet spot of the side lighting
Then the full on pistilwhiper pruned till 2 weeks into flower
this worked much better in the Horizontal setting than the vert
with the vertical I felt it could have used another 60 percent of the sweet spot lumens space filled with well lit nugs.
With the horizontal it worked much better pushing the nugs to the top of the stalk where the lumens are
All in all a pretty successfull series of tests with not a popcorn bud in sight
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Posted by Pistilwhipt on August 3rd, 2004 09:27 AM:
Once again , I'm happy to have been able to post this thread and have it received so well.Anyhow,here are some final shots as harvest is underway...
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Posted by realhigh on August 3rd, 2004 02:02 PM:
Now that is what I need to see next round. A nice area full of bud's like that would make harvest a dream.
Very nice work and a nice way to close the thread.
Thank you so much for sharing your time and method with other's.
grow safe.
realhigh.
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Posted by Greenja on August 3rd, 2004 04:21 PM:
Nice Pw, What buds are those?
G
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Posted by shiraz1 on August 3rd, 2004 04:21 PM:
Thanks so much PW. Used it late, only in 12/12 on my last grow and still made a difference. Using it now in Veg and know how sweet it will be. Still buzzed from your final shots. The PW method is now part of my vocabulary.
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Posted by BuckFush on August 3rd, 2004 09:51 PM:
Killer thread!!
PW, thank you, I have been checking this post everyday awaiting those finishing pics, well worth the wait. I think you answered a question that many of us have pondered over and over for years but did not have the balls to try...Well that has changed, From the Sea Of Green to The SCROG, the PW method has taken indoor growing to another level. I am sold!!!
You my friend are the cutting edge, and I can say that all growers new or old have learned something from this thread.
Thank you,
BuckFush
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Posted by Pistilwhipt on August 6th, 2004 06:51 AM:
Glad you guys could dig it...Greenja,those are the train wreck.Thanks for the props real high,we'll meet again,I'm sure...
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Posted by Pistilwhipt on August 6th, 2004 06:52 AM:
O.c. Choppers... Yeah those are fiskars microtip pruners,they rock if you are trimming by hand.
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Posted by kushyman on August 6th, 2004 01:59 PM:
finally did the wicked prune to kq's
first i couldn't..then i clipped one, then more then went whole hog
can't believe i hacked so far...now to sit back and see how they react
km
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Posted by realhigh on August 6th, 2004 02:06 PM:
I am just amazed that I did this for mother's and prunned to get more nice healthy grow tip's.
Now I have to do the same basic thing and let them grow and learn to take away those grow tip's.
A good time to get my clonning down pat.
I can not wait to get my new girl's for this.
stay safe and grow the same way.
realhigh
PW, those are very nice looking TW bud's, you did damn good at that and teaching other's.
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Posted by Pistilwhipt on August 6th, 2004 07:09 PM:
Right on real...Yeah I have been hacking my mothers up that way for years.Love those fat healthy clones...I start a new mother for every grow,just to have those fat,pruned ,fresh cuts.
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Posted by otis on August 8th, 2004 03:30 AM:
amazing thread PW
i thinks i be changing the way i do my next grow..
where did you pick up those 12 gallon pots?
you can tell me via PM if you wish..
my growroom has the ceilings high enough to handle 5 foot plants
the thought of the yield and the easy trimming makes this thread one of the best i have ever read...
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Posted by DeltaNugz on August 18th, 2004 02:51 AM:
I'm finally getting around to posting some pics of my pistilwhipt pruned kids. These gals are J1 in rockwool with Lucas formula. High canopy temps caused some damage to the top colas, many of which never filled out completely, but the overall prognosis is still awesome. Fat nugs everywhere. In fact, I missed pulling of a couple little budlets that popped out of the base of the stem. These suckers always end up thrown-away popcorn. But this time around two of those "little" budlets are bigger than large chicken eggs, and solid as rocks!!!
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Posted by realhigh on August 18th, 2004 02:29 PM:
That is very impressive DeltaNugz. I have gotten mine started. I did not have them in my room at first, so they were topped when I got them and made ready for this style of trainning.
I am hooked on the screen and still use it as a trellis with the PW method of trainning.
Hope for the best, grow safe.
realhigh.
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Posted by Skitty on August 22nd, 2004 01:46 AM:
I PW'd my entire current grow at week 4, now at almost week 6 and its amazing buds everywhere !!!
Will show a few finishing pics in a month.
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Posted by realhigh on August 22nd, 2004 06:09 AM:
I am so glad to hear that other's have been willing to try this and are reporting back nice result's.
I say this as I have 12 girl's just now getting ready for me to grap my ball's and prune away.
The plant's were about 15 inch's tall in general and the main stock was topped back leaving about 9 inch's on average with 5 to 6 branch's on each plant.
I had to transplant them, it is about day 4 now and they are showing sign's of new growth and soon I must do my thing.
I hope I can have good report's like you guy's.
My strain is pineapple and I hope to have just that, pineapple size bud's to show off, LOL
stay safe and grow the same way.
realhigh.
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Posted by Greenja on August 22nd, 2004 06:57 PM:
Well, I chopped down my Ogre and TW last 2dys and 1. Instead of just top one or two colas of the Ogre being larger than a beercan, All the colas...about 25/plant, were that size and just plain rock hard! Also, the TW's cola's also were signif. larger than 'unpruned'.
Overall, I'm very impressed and will be hopefully moreso when dried and I can get a final wt.
Greenja
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Posted by thundermonkee on August 22nd, 2004 07:35 PM:
he feels i think the bud were larger when he topped then if he would have left them this makes sense,and it shows in yield rock hard love peace thunder
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Posted by funkyflava on August 22nd, 2004 10:24 PM:
well i'm glad to see that someone has something to contribute that is not some SUPER ADDITIVE that will dramaticly increase yield. i've got some new clones that will get the treatment. thanks bro.
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Posted by Greenja on August 23rd, 2004 05:54 PM:
Yeah, what thunder said lol
I'm still chopping...one more to go on the Ogre. Off now to complete hopefully today....man I hate this part. Only like it when its dry and fully manicured...THEN I love the shit hehehe
Greenja
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Posted by Sauron the Blue on August 31st, 2004 02:19 PM:
late 3-4th week is when seedlings needa be stress free to determine their sex, hopefully as female. I never followed along that rule, but when I transplant during week 4, I get mostly males and an occasional hermie, so this time im letting them go to finish their 4th week then transplant them and see if my m/f ratio changes.
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Posted by three_little_birds on August 31st, 2004 02:29 PM:
Sauron . . .
we're usually pretty slow to take our babes to bloom . . . so it's not something we've had a lot of experience with personally . . . but we have heard reports of plants expressing male . . . and also hermi . . . when rushed to bloom before maturity . . .
we did observve something similar in a quick grow we attempted ourselves . . . without our usually extended vegetative time . . . we experienced 70% males . . . we originally wrote it off to random bad luck . . . and it might have been . . . but it might not too . . .
as with many things in life . . . your mileage may vary . . .
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Posted by fotwenyman on January 1st, 2005 11:34 PM:
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Realhigh: Thanks for guiding me through my first scrog. Each cola is between 3-6". Looks incredible with two days left before harvest!
Pistilwhipt: I would like to go with your technique for my next 6 plant grow. However, I can only have them grow up to 31" each. If I still top at the 6th internode but veg a little shorter and flower at about 10" minimum to 14" max depending on what strain I get in Jojo's Christmas mix; do you think that would work out fine?
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Posted by LordOvertoke on January 2nd, 2005 01:04 AM:
fotwenyman, damn bro, that's a nice grow you got there.
nice job Scroggin' it.
Pistilwhipt.....i hope i did it right cause i butchered 3 Blui's tonight....i only left the terminal bud on each of the remaining 4 - 6 branches....it felt really weird to cut off every bud site up to the terminal bud.
now this is where you're gonna tell me i did it wrong, i just know it is.
i left the fan leaves on but took all those bud sites off....still kinda gives me the willies just thinking about it but i reckon i'll find out what's what in about 8 more weeks.
i should mention they're about 10 days into flowering and were topped once and then put into flower when they were about 12" tall....as i said, i have about 4 - 6 terminal buds left on each plant but that's all except some fan leaves.....man, i hope that was right!
NO MO POPCORN!
LO
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Posted by realhigh on January 2nd, 2005 01:23 AM:
LOt, it will only be good if you have a nice 10 to 14 day stretch left.
In this time you will get 3 to 4 more node's and bud growth.
If the plant like's to stretch in the stem, not so much at the top with new growth, well you only get what you leave on the stem, but it can get real big, okay my test plant did it that way.
Now like the silver spice strain I have, that thing stetch's like a madd sativa and the very branch budding occur's, so I will prune these up to about day 16, but alway's leaving at least 4 flower site's on there.
Then there is the mango, zero stretcy, so with her you get what you see when you go 12/12, that one will only get wild growing one's pruned off.
grow safe.
realhigh.
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Posted by realhigh on January 2nd, 2005 03:16 PM:
Now let us all not forget were the flower grow's, removing the grow tip is removing a bud, take to many off, you get less in return, but each strain will react differently and some will bulk up and make those last few floweret's bigger than you ever thought possible on that strain, and yet some do not handle stress of this magnitude this late into the game.
LOT, not all is lost, as you could increase light hour's some, foilar feed some vegy nutrient's, and get a bit of extra growth and new shout's back on the top 6" of the branch, switch back down to 12/12 . It is not getting all the way back to vegy stage, nor leaving floral stage, the plant just vegyflower's in this state, does not go either way but a bit of both, if not careful you wind up with alot of extra growth that maybe un wanted, at least they freak when I go 12/12 again and kick out the floweret's.
Again if prunning a indica dominant plant, what PW discribe's must be done early in vegy growth so that the plant has time to grow new grow tip's up top were you want them because when you go 12/12 with the plant, no stretch, it just flower's and fill's in the grow tip's it has, okay maybe a little bud growth occur's, but not new node space's with lateral growth.
You are a scrogger, think about what is said, look at his pic's, think, if he allow's near 5 ft of plant at the end of flower, then they are near 2.5 ft at end of vegy stage, and I hope I am not wrong, I see about 6 to 10 inch long bud cluster's from this. If all other lateral tips are removed, then you only get what is on at the end of the stretch, and this will vary with each plant a little.
Just food for thought.
grow safe.
realhigh.
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Posted by fotwenyman on January 2nd, 2005 07:19 PM:
Hmmm. Interesting post realhigh. I wish I was more familiar with the genetics I'm going to be pruning PW style. But again, they are from Jojo's Christmas Mix. A mix of his Trainwreck, White Widow, and Haze crosses I believe... I'm hoping my experience with pruning the mothers I have will make pruning PW style a little bit easier. Thank you....
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Posted by realhigh on January 2nd, 2005 09:16 PM:
How ever and what ever you did fotwenyman you did right.
Your scrog grow is just beautiful and such nice big bud's you have there!
I just want to cut down on how many bud's I need to trim and handle at the end, yet not loose any yield, so as long as the jar's are full I happy, maybe not satisfied, but happy.
grow safe.
realhigh.
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Posted by Reverend Budbreath on January 3rd, 2005 04:43 PM:
LOT, I would say you don't need to worry. I've done the PW prune about three times now and it worked great each time, the same way you just did it. Also, if BLUI is a strain containing LUI, it will have plenty of "flowering power" or vigor during the full flowering stage. What PW taught me was that it's good to take off shoots all the way until the (terminal) flowers are about the size of a pencil eraser... meaning the small one on the end of a pencil. You could also think of it as about when they are the size of an M&M candy. This would be about 10-12 days into flowering.
You're going to love it...
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Posted by gonejah on January 3rd, 2005 11:36 PM:
veg prunning revisited
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Think tank...What I like to do is...well first you need to get really high then proceed as follows.Seriously though,I don't prune a cut as small as the ones in your photos.What I do is let them grow tall enough to select your "main branches"6-8 or so.Then top the clone.Follow the rest of the thread from there on out. Peace , PW
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I guess what i was asking the first time is, why not (progressively prune during veg)? it seems like your "focus the energy" idea would work well during veg.
in the first pic, these clones have been rooted for a few days.
the second pic shows a new JC mom #5.
the third shows her after she was topped and vegged for 15 days.
The fourth one shows them 15 days later.
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Posted by LordOvertoke on January 4th, 2005 02:56 AM:
thanks Rev BB, i was kinda sweatin' it but it was early enough....can't wait to see them pack it on.
LO
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Posted by bigsb on January 4th, 2005 03:45 AM:
This is an amazing thread. This technique is new to me, and I'm super impressed with your results. But I am a big bubble hash man and it looks like there isn't sufficient trim to make bubble. If I could bubble then I'd try this with my next grow. Keep pushing the envelope Pistilwipt.
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Posted by realhigh on January 4th, 2005 01:58 PM:
Think Tank, you are not wrong, as what is right in this game we play, but it depend's on what you are after.
If you follow the thread,well PW allow's lower node growth on small young plant's, top's main stem when he has what he want's.
Your method remove's those branch's that PW prune's and keep's for flowering.
I have done it to young plant's also because I wanted vertical growth and no lower branch's, get the head of the plant above the screen and go 12/12 and I hope the stretch will do it's thing. Then I have another, LUI strain, that stretch's a big 6" if I am lucky, so if I remove to many grow tip's, well not much left to bud, so I wait until I see the node growth being to fast, as some seem to take off and grow fast raceing for the light.
I believe the real idea going into flowering it watching and knowing how your strain react's to flowering. This will help the grower to decide which of the lower older grow tip's he want's to remove.
At first I got a bit of a stall reaction to the prunning in my current strain, but as time has passed and I kept to the prunning, well they seem not to react as harsh when a grow tip here and there are removed every few day's as compared to waiting a week or so and then prunning it all up, then again I am hydro and many other issue's could be to blame for the stalled reaction.
It is just like sog or scrog growing in that the grower should know the growth rate, stetch time, how much it will be, and calculate and plan ahead on the growth. For me the screen give's me a way to map out the location of the main grow tip's that will be flower's.
I say give them room, at least 6 inch's clearance around each bud so they can feel space to fatten up big for you.
grow safe.
realhigh.
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Posted by gonejah on January 9th, 2005 12:19 AM:
nice colas - thanks pw
here's what some pw training did for this hazeXak47 bush...
edit - you can see how unpruned this bush was a week into bloom. that's why i keep asking about pruning during veg. i cut off so many chutes, so much plant material...seems like she'd have reached the same height faster if her veg energy was more focused.
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Posted by gonejah on January 9th, 2005 02:31 AM:
thanks to all for sharing these ideas
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Posted by gonejah on January 11th, 2005 11:01 PM:
for those still keeping score, DWD starts to prune a little earlier in veg, and continues a little later into (30 days), as does GG.
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06-05-2006, 07:16 AM
OK, so now I'm really tired from looking all of this shit up today so I will go back and modify this bad boy probably tomorrow to trim all the mindless chitter chatter and stupid posts to keep only the good stuff. :teeth:
Thanks for this AS! A bit difficult without the picts but all the info is here. I've used PW's method and it seems to work. ;)
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07-08-2006, 05:19 PM
Thanks AS this is a very informative post and it works. I pistolwhip the plants I have in scrog in my fall to spring runs and it works great. This style of pruning really boosts the production in scrog.
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07-24-2006, 12:13 AM
I am applying this technique to my latest crop and it is showing extreme results with Aloha Widow, and very good results with Sour Diesel. The white widow buds are the biggest buds I have ever grown, some are 10" long, 5" wide and solid as rocks. And in 2 gallon pots, the widows are looking to average 2 ounces of solid calyx.
v interested in this but how come i cant see any of the posted pic's?
Is there a link to this same thread that has pictures?
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06-03-2008, 08:10 AM
Please let there be a picture link or file...
This is a great thread, but it is highly visual in its teaching. It does give you a pretty good idea of how he implements this technique, but it's kind of spaced out.
None the less, its cool that you managed to save the thread from the old site!
Any other jewels you might have in the depths of your PC?
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