Outdoor Breeding?

[subterra]

Because of a recent loss of genetics in our community, I was hoping to increase my supply of seed stock. I don't want to have several grow spaces at once indoors so I'm curious about breeding outside?

Is this at all controllable or is it pissing in the wind, so to speak? Seems like if a patch was anywhere near another then contamination would occur. I don't need general grow info, just specific advice concerning possibility of accurate breeding in nature's back yard.

Thanks!
-subterra

[haxixe]

Contamination is essentially a non concern unless you live on **** ****** Island or near a hemp farm. I wouldn't worry too much about selective breeding and would simply open pollenate in a geurilla situation, the seeds you grow will be roughly as good as what you began with in most instances. Almost as likely to be better than worse in fact, and plants actually seem capable of adapting to their environment to some extent if grown a few gens.

Start with seeds YOU really like and you'll be pleased with the result.

[Genghis Bong]

you can use paper bags and twist ties to keep the pollen from polentating any more of the plant than a branch or two...or to keep from seeding a whole plant or to have multiple fathers on one stellar momma. In rc clarke's "marijuana botany" there is a pic of a plant done in this fasion.

good luck and have fun.

[ncga]

Outdoor breeding is not that hard. All you need are a few tools and mind from the 70's. I recommend collecting the pollen at one location then transporting it to the site. For transport use parchment paper folded into that dreaded bindle shape from days past. Believe it or not finally something good form that experience. The Bindle is perfect because the second tool is a small model type paint brush. The bindle opens perfectly in the field allowing you to dip the brush into the top , when unfolded once. Then using the brush apply it to individual calyxes on one branch or two.

Forget the Clarke method unless you are in a lab setting. Then it works well because you greatly reduce cross contamination when working in a small space. Way back in time I went to a baker and got the parchment bags, and even made a clear window. l I find just pollination in the field works the best. Treat this like art from a non artist point of view, slow and careful with now BIG FAST movements. Trade Secret. USE GROW FERT ON YOUR SEED PLANTS PREFERABLE A 20 20 20 . When you keep the N level high during flowering of seeded plants. You will find that this higher level of N will help the seeds germinate faster and stay viable longer.


Pollination
Do this on a NO WIND day, then mark the branch. I recommend a lower branch since they 1 flower early, and 2 you can leave them on the plant after you harvest the main part of the plant. LET THE SEEDED BRANCHES GO LONG. Make sure you let the pollinated branches go until the seeds are mature. You will only get one shot at that particular combination. Even if you save the pollen and use it to germinate another seedling or clone of the same strain next year, environmental issues will give you a different result.



OK now we are down to truth in advertising. You need to label out door seeds as that. I have noticed that seeds bread outdoors tend to have a higher rate of hermies when grown indoors. The same does not seam to be with indoor seeds done outdoors. MO on this, is that the static day length confuses the seedling and you find a much higher rate of hermies when the seeds are grown indoors.



Food For thought

1 Selection

2 Timing

3 Execution \ Logistics

nc

[haxixe]

Two questions:

How long should one leave the paper bag on?

I've done the paper bag thing and I always felt like I was spilling pollen into the air when I would remove the bag from the branch. Any easy fix?

[Genghis Bong]

Hey haxixe,

It's been done successfully by leaving the paper bag on for one day (24 hrs), then removing the bag and misting with water till runoff to get rid of stray pollen. I give the bag a gentle shake with my hand around the opening near the stem, being carefull to not spill any then just leave it until the next day. you can spray the outside of the bag and even remove the bag while simultaneously misting to ensure that very little to no pollen will escape to the wind.

[Glass Man]

I am in total agreement with concentrating my efforts towards producing plenty of great seeds......and spreading them far and wide!! Our cause will get stronger, and so will our plant!

Much Love,
GM

[kevdaddy]

When my friend pollinates outdoors, he prefers an artist's fan brush. The feather end holds very small amounts of pollen, and is easy to efficiently do the job, with very little loose pollen escaping....

Dusting outside can be a delicate process. We wouldnt want to ruin any of the neighboring girls' day, right? :)

Good luck to everyone working with the great halide this summer!

[c-ray]

to control the pollination on one plant mist the whole plant with water except for the target flowers, attach pollen bag for a day then mist thoroughly the whole plant again and carefully remove the pollen bag...it is even possible to transfer the pollen bag to other plants

[ghostryder]

well first i take a male plant with 90,000 balls and put him up higher then the selected females. then i walk away and let nature do her thing.

[rabit]

The "shotgun" method is easy...just remember to stay well downwind of any horny girls...:bee: